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Israel certainly has the right to self defend, but it seems they may be creating some "holes" other than with bombs and artillery. Or, the school may have been a rocket from Hamas, per Israel.
Well, negotiations are ongoing --- they involve Kerry, Israel, Egypt and other parties. I wonder if they even bothered to include a representative from Hamas, or anyone who lives in Gaza. Probably not.
Representatives of Hamas live in Qatar. They prefer not to be in Gaza ar such times. But you are right about one thing- it depends who are you taking about. The gangs that launch rockets aren't taking orders from the political leaders, only from Allah directly.
I guess they'd feel kind of like the thousands of Native Americans that lived on what are now the lands of America, before they were invaded by barbarians from Europe, who proceeded to kill them, sicken them, march them to desolate areas and watch while they dropped like flies, and destroyed their culture.
May I hazard a guess that you were taught U.S. history thru revisionist textbooks authored by the likes of Howard Zinn?
So, it's time for Hamas to stop firing rockets and ask for ceasefire? Any ceasefire, ASAP, without 1, 2 or 3 conditions. Just to save lives...
Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinian people either-their leaders are in safe havens. Israel should be finding their leaders and those that fund them and other terrorist groups in Qatar, Saudi Arabia and other places, but as usual it is the poor people with no voice that will die and suffer while the monied interest roam free. Israel is only creating more enemies among people that are helpless.
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Originally Posted by ellemint
This is really bad....
"At least 15 people have been killed and 200 injured in the Israeli shelling of a UN school in northern Gaza that was being used as an emergency shelter, the Gaza health ministry says.
Robert Turner, the UNRWA director in Gaza, said there was no warning from the Israelis about the attack on the school in Beit Hanoun.
He said they were in contact with Israeli forces about a window to evacuate the school before the attack happened.
"This is a designated emergency shelter,” he said.
“The location was conveyed to the Israelis.
He said he had no information that there was military activity around the school.
"This was an installation we were managing, that monitored [to ensure] that our neutrality was maintained.
“We always call on all parties to ensure that civilians are not harmed."
BTW: this is NOT a duplicate thread, it's a brand new atrocity reported just minutes ago.
Why should Hamas be included in peace talks, as if it were a legitimate entity. They are a terrorist organization. Negotiating with terrorists is like talking to oneself. You neutralize terrorists, not 'talk' to them hoping they will be rational.
As a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas is not a stand-alone terror group. It is part of a much larger web of Islamic jihadist terror groups including al-Qaida and its affiliates as well as the Shi’ite Hezbollah. Like Hamas, all of these threaten several major Sunni Arab states.
Due to their recognition of the threat Hamas and its allies pose to the survivability of their regimes, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have taken the unprecedented step of supporting Israel’s efforts to defeat Hamas.
They understand that a decisive Israeli blow against Hamas in Gaza will directly benefit them. Not only will Hamas be weakened, but its state sponsors and terrorist comrades will be weakened as well.
Israel is enjoying unprecedented support from the most important Sunni states in the region – yet the US sides with Hamas and its state sponsors in their demand for an immediate cease-fire. That speaks volumes about the direction of US foreign policy under Obama.
Why should Hamas be included in peace talks, as if it were a legitimate entity. They are a terrorist organization. Negotiating with terrorists is like talking to oneself. You neutralize terrorists, not 'talk' to them hoping they will be rational.
As a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas is not a stand-alone terror group. It is part of a much larger web of Islamic jihadist terror groups including al-Qaida and its affiliates as well as the Shi’ite Hezbollah. Like Hamas, all of these threaten several major Sunni Arab states.
Due to their recognition of the threat Hamas and its allies pose to the survivability of their regimes, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have taken the unprecedented step of supporting Israel’s efforts to defeat Hamas.
They understand that a decisive Israeli blow against Hamas in Gaza will directly benefit them. Not only will Hamas be weakened, but its state sponsors and terrorist comrades will be weakened as well.
Israel is enjoying unprecedented support from the most important Sunni states in the region – yet the US sides with Hamas and its state sponsors in their demand for an immediate cease-fire. That speaks volumes about the direction of US foreign policy under Obama.
US foreign policy agenda is to create as much chaos as possible. While we have few examples of those dog gone A-RABS invading California and Washington DC, we've pretty much destroyed 3 countries ... Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. We're working on Syria, and have the cross hairs trained on Iran. At the same time, we're covertly creating havok in the former soviet block, while destroying the integrity of our own southern border.
Simultaneously ... Israel is more than happy to use that chaos as media focuses on that, to expand their ethnic cleansing operations, using the money and military hardware we provide them.
The truth is, WW III is well under way, even though there has been no formal announcement or mushroom clouds yet.
Obama has nothing to do with choosing this dangerous course ... he's just the front man who reads the prepared propaganda for the drooling masses who can't seem to remember yesterday's lies, while swallowing today's new ones.
Well, negotiations are ongoing --- they involve Kerry, Israel, Egypt and other parties. I wonder if they even bothered to include a representative from Hamas, or anyone who lives in Gaza. Probably not.
Sigh ........
You don't appear to have a very good grasp on the events.
First - the UNHRC (United Nations Human Rights Commission) is NOT "the UN", which is in New York City. The UNHRC is Forum in Geneva comprised on just 47 nations - their main function is to attack Israel. They tend to ignore that ISIS in Iraq has announced they will Murder all Christians that don't convert to Islam and that forced genital mutilations on women in Iraq will begin immediately. :roll eyes:
Second - NO, the USA is not "including a member of Hamas" in negotiations. Hamas is designated as a Terror Organization by the USA, Israel & the European Union. We have this Smoke and Mirrors policy of "not negotiating with Terrorists". The Representatives of Hamas are Turkey (our former good buddy) and Qatar (who now hosts the former Taliban leaders that we traded for Bergdahl).
Hamas has already said they will refuse cease fire agreements unless they get everything they want up-front. Kerry is running around trying to act relevant, but it is Egypt that will lead all negotiations.
The Iranian Revolutionary Guards have also just announced (same link) that they have now developed an anti-radar ballistic missile to be able to penetrate and destroy missile defense systems such as the Iron Dome and America’s Patriot missile system.
The Islamic regime has long trained and armed Hezbollah and Palestinian forces for attacks against Israel. In reference to further arming Palestinians, the speaker of the regime’s Parliament, Ali Larijani, said in a statement Wednesday, “The clear need of Palestine is its need to weapons and basic necessities and Iran plays an important role in meeting the clear needs of the Palestinian people.”
Let's not forget that this is the same Iranian Regime that Team Obama is attempting to "negotiate" with on their Nuclear engagement .... AND that we are paying them to do this.
“But the broader architecture of sanctions will remain in place, and we will continue to enforce them vigorously,” President Barack Obama said in a televised address from the White House last night, shortly after the agreement was announced in Geneva. “And if Iran does not fully meet its commitments during this six-month phase, we will turn off the relief, and ratchet up the pressure.”
I guess "ratchet up the pressure" translates to "give them more money and let them stall some more".
They can use all that money to develop those anti-radar missiles. $10 Billion is actually considered "real money" in certain parts of the world ....
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$10 Billion is actually considered "real money" in certain parts of the world ....