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Old 07-20-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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Mainly because of international pressure and pressure from Washington. The US gives them a great deal of military aid and they don't want to lose that.
It's over $3 billion a year of U.S. taxpayer's money that is used to fund these atrocities.

 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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If Hamas (which is a voted government, not a terrorist group) is somehow destroyed, there will be a power vacuum, and a much more radical group will rise to power.

Israel is breaking international law with their latest military offensive, and should end up in criminal court for war crimes.
Only the losers get tried for war crimes. Dresden bombing in WWII was a war crime. US soldiers raping and murdering in Vietnam should've been a war crime. But Israel won't lose this war.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:42 PM
 
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Not all of the residents of Gaza support Hamas, any more than all Americans support President Obama.
Of course not all but the majority did vote for Hamas.
And in democracy, we all, unfortunately, have to live by the choices made by the majority.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:43 PM
 
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Only the losers get tried for war crimes. Dresden bombing in WWII was a war crime. US soldiers raping and murdering in Vietnam should've been a war crime. But Israel won't lose this war.
They ARE losing. This is not accomplishing anything for Israel, except international condemnation, and the deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians and children (469 Palestinians so far.)

This needs a political solution, not more fighting. And Hamas should stop its totally ineffectual rockets as well.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:45 PM
 
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Why is someone who doesn't blindly support Israel a "bigot" but people can gleefully cheer on the wholesale slaughter of Palestinians with blood lust so thick it comes through the computer screen and they are not a "bigot?" If you called for a cut in social welfare spending and someone called you a racist because cuts in those programs would disproportionately impact minorities you would be annoyed and frustrated. Yet people like you have no problem doing it to people who are capable of seeing beyond "Israel first, Israel always" in the ME.
Well for me it's made easier by doing a little simple math:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org.../osloterr.html

Israeli casualties of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even discarding the years prior to 46, the Israelis haven't balanced the books yet, so truck on!

It's all too easy to forget things like the attack on the Achille Lauro when a jewish man confined to a wheel chair was murdered and thrown over the side of the ship.

The Death of Leon Klinghoffer on the Achille Lauro Cruise Ship - 25 Years Later : Cruise Law News

A little historical perspective is always useful.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:46 PM
 
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Well for me it's made easier by doing a little simple math:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org.../osloterr.html

Israeli casualties of war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even discarding the years prior to 46, the Israelis haven't balanced the books yet, so truck on!

It's all too easy to forget things like the attack on the Achille Lauro when a jewish man confined to a wheel chair was murdered and thrown over the side of the ship.

The Death of Leon Klinghoffer on the Achille Lauro Cruise Ship - 25 Years Later : Cruise Law News

A little historical perspective is always useful.
So that's what they're after, petty revenge? And willing to kill innocent civilians to get it?
 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:47 PM
 
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Of course not all but the majority did vote for Hamas.
And in democracy, we all, unfortunately, have to live by the choices made by the majority.
The Palestinians in Gaza don't live in a democracy. They have no freedom despite their elections. They are occupied by a hostile neighbor. All of their rights to free movement, employment, education, food, housing, medical services and supplies, water, electricity are limited by Israel--not just now, but for years.

And now, with the latest military offensive, their right to life itself is being denied.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:48 PM
 
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Israel is applying diplomacy. When you have an enemy that won't negotiate in good faith, and continues to attack you, the most effective tool to win their hearts and minds is to kill a chit pot of them.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:49 PM
 
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Israel is applying diplomacy. When you have an enemy that won't negotiate in good faith, and continues to attack you, the most effective tool to win their hearts and minds is to kill a chit pot of them.
Israel refuses to stop its settlers from taking Palestinian land. It's just as provocative. Those settlers get into brawls with local Palestinians, too. They might actually kill or displace more Palestinians than Hamas's rockets do with Israelis...
 
Old 07-20-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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Sorry to tell you its not Biblical. Because if it were, the Ultra Orthodox Jews would have never allowed Israel to be created by mere people. Per them only G-d can create Israel. Per them (fyi they are the settlers) they believe in the Land of Israel being theirs but not the existence of the State of Israel. It was secular educated German Zionists who took the lead for a Jewish homeland. It was those secular Jews plus the Jews of N Africa and Asia who made up the vast majority in 1948 that beat the crap out of the Arabs for the State of Israel to exist. So yes it's "Taking, holding, and defending".
The non-mystic Orthodox are decidedly not anti-Zionist. Chabad is not anti-Zionist. Shas is not anti-Zionist. The core of the Orthodoxy is militantly pro-Zionist. The anti-Zionist sects have no real power other than relatively minor grassroots power and maybe some newer influence in Halachic matters of the state (state recognized conversions, marriages, etc). Zionism, by far, is not secular. You're telling me that, from 1948 forward, there wasn't a strong undercurrent of Biblical justification that provided an ostensible moral foundation for the creation of the state of Israel? That's just not true, and it remains untrue in the present day international politics of Israel as well as in Israel's internal religious and political climate. The mythology (doesn't imply 'fake') of the Biblical Jews is core to Israeli identity politics. Any interview with most Orthodox or IDF soldiers in Israel would likely reveal as much. Just ask them if they will let the Arabs take away their land, and await the indignant gush colored with perspectives on 2,000 year old injustice.
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