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The sheeple always seem to fall for fancy or innocuous sounding names which if phrased correctly/honestly, they would object to.
For instance the word "subsidies" in this instance. It should read taxpayer funded money because that is exactly what it is, just another way to "spread the wealth around".
Statistics ALWAYS use SAMPLES. That's the NATURE of STATISTICS. Business decisions are made using samples EVERY SINGLE DAY. There's a REASON for that - it WORKS.
Ken
I don't know, maybe you're just playing stupid. Let me make sure it's abundantly clear to you how absurd your claim is that you know the number of people you claimed are enrolled are actually legitimate and legal.
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The federal Marketplace approved coverage for 11 of our 12 fictitious applicants who initially applied online, or by telephone.13 We later received notices in 10 of 11 of these cases that failure to submit documentation needed to verify eligibility could lead to loss of coverage or subsidies we received.14 For 1 of the 11 approvals, we initially were denied coverage, but were successful when we subsequently reattempted the application. Applicants for coverage are required to attest that they have not intentionally provided false or untrue information. Applicants who provide false information are subject to penalties under federal law, including fines and imprisonment.15 For each of the approved applications, we were ultimately directed to submit supporting documentation to the Marketplace, such as proof of income, identity, or citizenship.
For each of our 11 approved applications, we paid the required premiums to put policies into force, and are continuing to pay the premiums. For the 11 applications that were approved for coverage, we obtained the advance premium tax credit in all cases.16The total amount of these credits for the 11 approved applications is about $2,500 monthly or about $30,000 annually. We also obtained cost-sharing reduction subsidies, according to Marketplace representatives, in at least 9 of the 11 cases.
For each of our 6 online applications that were among the total group of 12, we failed to clear an identity checking step during the front end of the online application process, and thus could not complete the process online. 19 However, we subsequently were able to obtain coverage for all 6 of these applications begun online by completing them by phone. In 5 of these 6 cases, the online system directed us to contact a Marketplace contractor that handles identity checking. The contractor was unable to resolve the identity issues. According to a CMS public information website, if the contractor cannot resolve the issue, applicants may be asked to provide identity documents, by online upload or by mail. In such cases, according to CMS officials, applications are to be put on hold until identity proofing is completed. For this group of 5 applications, however, contractor representatives did not ask us to submit identity documents but instead directed us to call the Marketplace. We did, and after speaking with Marketplace representatives as instructed, we were able to successfully proceed with our applications by phone and obtain coverage for the 5 applications.
Sorry to hear that, really. But others will be working for you too.
Hopefully, the "loads on society" continue their journey and become bigger taxpayers by earning more money and they can take on the older citizens and the other "loads" as well.
The sheeple always seem to fall for fancy or innocuous sounding names which if phrased correctly/honestly, they would object to.
For instance the word "subsidies" in this instance. It should read taxpayer funded money because that is exactly what it is, just another way to "spread the wealth around".
And they think they'll live the good life but they'll still live in shacks though.
Easy interpretation. If it's "in the cart" it hasn't actually been sold and can't be counted as such. If someone goes into the website, fools around and selects this and that as what they want in a health-care insurance policy, then puts that in "the cart" but never follows through with payment, it is not a sale and that person cannot be counted as "one who has purchased ACA (aka Obama Care.)
About 2 months ago insurers said that roughly 85% of folks signed up HAD PAID. That was 2 months or so ago and that percentage is no doubt higher now. So no it's not "in the cart" anymore. For the vast majority, it's a DONE DEAL.
I don't know, maybe you're just playing stupid. Let me make sure it's abundantly clear to you how absurd your claim is that you know the number of people you claimed are enrolled are actually legitimate and legal.
And THAT was back in early May. That percentage is no doubt even higher now.
Your whole "folks aren't really getting insurance" argument is both ignorant, foolish, and desperate.
The fact is - despite wingnut predictions, LOTS of folks have signed up through Obamacare, have paid their premiums and NOW HAVE insurance.
What? You think people didn't WANT insurance?
Your stupid link is just referring to a TEST - not a check of how many people have gotten insurance. It has nothing to do with that. It was just a test of how the system works.
And THAT was back in early May. That percentage is no doubt even higher now.
Your whole "folks aren't really getting insurance" argument is both ignorant, foolish, and desperate.
The fact is - despite wingnut predictions, LOTS of folks have signed up through Obamacare, have paid their premiums and NOW HAVE insurance.
What? You think people didn't WANT insurance?
Your stupid link is just referring to a TEST - not a check of how many people have gotten insurance. It has nothing to do with that. It was just a test of how the system works.
Ken
Of course lots more people have insurance. Anyone who denies that millions of people are newly insured is being stubborn or argumentative. If you want to say Ocare is a success because more people are insured, it's a success. I'm sure if the feds mandated that everyone wear orange clothes on Monday or pay a tax, and spent $billions to promote orange. more people would wear orange.
We shall find out, maybe, later this summer/fall, what the paid premium rate is. There's a fall-off rate of 2%-3% after a 1st month's premiums are paid. If the rate was 85% in May for 1st month payments, it'll probably be down to 70%-75% in November.
Yes, there were people, especially the 'young invincibles, ' who chose not to buy insurance.
Sixteen Democratic senators who voted for the Affordable Care Act are asking that one of its fundraising mechanisms, a 2.3 percent tax on medical devices scheduled to take effect January 1, be delayed. Echoing arguments made by Republicans against Obamacare, the Democratic senators say the levy will cost jobs — in a statement Monday, Sen. Al Franken called it a “job-killing tax” — and also impair American competitiveness in the medical device field.
The senators, who made the request in a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, are Franken, Richard Durbin, Charles Schumer, Patty Murray, John Kerry, Kirsten Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar, Joseph Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Robert Casey, Debbie Stabenow, Barbara Mikulski, Kay Hagan, Herb Kohl, Jeanne Shaheen, and Richard Blumenthal. All voted for Obamacare.
Again, this thread is nothing but fake "outrage" at the process of writing this bill. No, it wasn't 2000 pages. Yes, the members did read and most of them understood what the legislation intended to do.
They never read it.
You don't understand "the process of writing this bill."
Congress does not write major legislation. Major legislation is written by Special Interest Groups. The ACA was written by the American Hospital Association with help from their informants in the IRS and HHS. It was handed-off to one of their shills to introduce.
HEAVY HITTER The American Hospital Association represents 37,000 individual members at more than 5,000 hospitals and health care systems.
View totals for other cycles:
CONTRIBUTIONS
$2,383,767 ranks 137 of 20,981
LOBBYING
$19,251,200 (2012)
$20,823,341 (2011) ranks 5 of 4,368 in 2012
OUTSIDE SPENDING
$1,912,675 ranks 47 of 296
The American Hospital Association gave....
$779 Million to Obama for America 2008
$260 Million to DNC 2008
$428 Million to RNC 2008
Let us do the math together so that we might understand.
5,000 American Hospital Association member-hospitals / 5,754 US Hospitals = 86.9%
So....86.9% of all hospitals are controlled by the American Hospital Association.
Does that smell like a monopoly to you?
Then, The Most Transparent President In History† classifies the White House Visitor Logs so you cannot see the American Hospital Association getting their pay-off for supporting Obama.
And then he had to bring in the unions....and lie to them to get their support on Obamacare.
† Not in this Universe, but in alternate universes which theoretically may or may not exist.
Apparently the price to bribe a US president to create your own nightmarish monopoly healthcare system and ram it down people's throats is $779 Million.
So the ACA like all major legislation is just a skeletal frame-work....it's the Bureaucracy whom you do not elect that gets to put the meat on the skeleton.
And why?
The Revolving Door.
You go from the American Hospital Association to Health & Human Services back to the American Hospital Association then to CMS, then back to the American Hospital Association.
Just like going from Monsanto to the EPA then to Cargill, then to the FDA, then back to Monsanto, then to the Agriculture Department, then to Con-Agra and then to the Interior Department.
Effectively, the Special Interest Groups write all of your legislation, and then write all of the regulations as well.
Aren't you glad you can vote for Special Interest Groups?
The ACA was 900 pages, whether or not Congress read doesn't matter, since none of them understood it.
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Section 6001 of the Affordable Care Act of 2010 amended section 1877 of the Social Security Act to impose additional requirements for physician-owned hospitals to qualify for the whole hospital and rural provider exceptions.
Thank you Obama for accelerating the corporatization and monopoly control of America's healthcare system AT&T-style to light-speed.
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Originally Posted by pknopp
You seem to so often do this. You claim I am wrong and then end up agreeing with me. I never said it was the largest driver of higher costs. I said everything that drove up costs had to be addressed. First or last isn't the question.
I've noted in the past that you are better off just leaving me out of your discussions.
I don't agree with you.
Are you going to tow your car to Earl Scheib for a paint job before you fix the transmission that doesn't work? Oh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Tort Reform is a Red Herring.
The amount of fraud dwarfs medical malpractice lawsuits. The issue of "Aging" dwarfs fraud. It isn't even a federal issue. Neither the President nor Congress have any constitutional power or authority to meddle in the affairs of States regarding civil lawsuits.
Only a Fascist or National Socialist would even suggest that Congress violate the Constitution and usurp the power of the States.
So, if you go to Tampa General‡ to have your left leg amputated, and they err most grievously amputating your right leg instead, and you still have to have your left leg amputated, what should you get thanks to Tort Reform?
A $25 gift card for Shoe Carnival?
‡ True story...really did happen at Tampa General....more than once.
As I've said many times, you are better off staying out of topics you dont understand.
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