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Old 07-23-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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I wouldn't count on that. Even one of the legal architects of the Obamacare challenge admits the recent ruling against subsidies will likely be overturned.

[b]"...Another law professor, who is one of the intellectual architects of the legal challenge to the Obamacare subsidies, also said he expects his side might ultimately lose at the D.C. circuit level because of the political makeup of the bench.
Of course they are going to lose there. It's irrelevant though.
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Old 07-23-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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This horrible law, and process used to ram it down our throats, is proof why Democratic Party tyranny is sooooo bad for America. The lesson learned here has been - never, ever, ever give the dems complete control of the Congress and presidency like that again.
The 2020 census will likely say otherwise. It'll take more than gerrymandering to overcome that demographic sea change.

And what's the deal with the "ramming down our throats" idiom from the far right. Just because something you don't like happens doesn't mean it's being rammed down your throat against your will. Unless you secretly like things being rammed down your thorat...
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Old 07-23-2014, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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If the republicans don't recognize that this boat has already sailed, and successfully manage to destroy the ACA, they will seal their fates as a political party.
Nah, it was unsustainable on its own bad law..

Stop the think, someone who can't afford a couple hundred a month for insurance now has insurance but had to pay 6,000.00 in deductibles before they see a benefit. Guess what, there's 6k in money providers will never see, costs go up yada yada..

Add to that they excluded certain classes from subsidies.. You need to read it before you pass it 😂
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Old 07-23-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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Nah, they'd rather just let people die in the streets. It's the Republican way.
I knew there was something different as I walked the streets this year. I don't have to step around all those dying people or call the Public Works Department to get them out of the streets. My walks are much more pleasant because of Ocare.
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Old 07-23-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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Nah, it was unsustainable on its own bad law..

Stop the think, someone who can't afford a couple hundred a month for insurance now has insurance but had to pay 6,000.00 in deductibles before they see a benefit. Guess what, there's 6k in money providers will never see, costs go up yada yada..

Add to that they excluded certain classes from subsidies.. You need to read it before you pass it 😂
Paying off $6,000 in deductible debt is much easier than paying several hundred every month for premiums, and a much better option than going $1,000,000 in the hole for major procedures.

Take your pick, we either make everyone pay into the system somehow, or we raise taxes and go single payer. Or we go back to letting the working poor go bankrupt from medical bills.
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Old 07-23-2014, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Paying off $6,000 in deductible debt is much easier than paying several hundred every month for premiums, and a much better option than going $1,000,000 in the hole for major procedures.

Take your pick, we either make everyone pay into the system somehow, or we raise taxes and go single payer. Or we go back to letting the working poor go bankrupt from medical bills.
You forgot to add at the end "and those that are insured paying the costs passed on by the hospitals for those that could not pay" because that is what was happening, or at least that is what the hospital claimed
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Old 07-23-2014, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Nah, it was unsustainable on its own bad law..

Stop the think, someone who can't afford a couple hundred a month for insurance now has insurance but had to pay 6,000.00 in deductibles before they see a benefit. Guess what, there's 6k in money providers will never see, costs go up yada yada..

Add to that they excluded certain classes from subsidies.. You need to read it before you pass it ��
A couple of hundred a month, lets see that policy, my wifes suplimental insurance costs more than that. Guess who pays for those that cannot, come on take a guess, clue: it is you and me, tada now you have more information on the topic
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Old 07-23-2014, 12:09 PM
 
Location: California
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They better have an alternative before killing it off, and going back to the old failure of a system is not gonna fly.
The old system worked fine for most people. The problem of premiums continually going up was caused by "ambulance-chasing lawyers/attorneys" that constantly try to cause hate and discontent so they can bring law suits and try to get huge "settlement-out-of-court" $'s of which they pocket at least half of each case resolved by such. Get tort reform instituted and have settlements limited with attorneys/lawyers only able to collect a very small percentage of any settlement granted, stop free medical to welfare who do not need at least 75% of the crap they go in for and premiums will not be a problem.

Put health care back in the hands of doctor/patients and leave individuals free to shop for insurance where ever they wish (across State lines) bringing normal competition back onto the table and government stay out of it! Solution implemented.
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Old 07-23-2014, 12:13 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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The old system worked fine for most people. The problem of premiums continually going up was caused by "ambulance-chasing lawyers/attorneys" that constantly try to cause hate and discontent so they can bring law suits and try to get huge "settlement-out-of-court" $'s of which they pocket at least half of each case resolved by such. Get tort reform instituted and have settlements limited with attorneys/lawyers only able to collect a very small percentage of any settlement granted, stop free medical to welfare who do not need at least 75% of the crap they go in for and premiums will not be a problem.

Put health care back in the hands of doctor/patients and leave individuals free to shop for insurance where ever they wish (across State lines) bringing normal competition back onto the table and government stay out of it! Solution implemented.
You are uinformed. Legal costs are a very small part of healthcare costs (less than 1%).

U.S. malpractice lawsuits not fueling high cost of healthcare - UPI.com

Ken
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Old 07-23-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: California
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You are uinformed. Legal costs are a very small part of healthcare costs (less than 1%).

U.S. malpractice lawsuits not fueling high cost of healthcare - UPI.com

Ken
You are uninformed and so is the author of the above. Don't forget to add in the cost to Doctors and Hospitals of malpractice insurance...not just settlements. Someone has to pay for all that which means costs of all services explode.

You can't just knit-pick one cost-impacting area. There are several which add up to tremendous over-head costs.
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