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Old 07-23-2014, 04:02 PM
 
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IF no one can "estimate it" then no one knows what it is - so it's pointless to make claims about it either way.

Ken

PS - My 3% referred to HEALTH INSURANCE overhead and profit costs. It had nothing do with liability insurance.
But you did refer to the 1% cost in your malpractice argument.

"You are uinformed. Legal costs are a very small part of healthcare costs (less than 1%).

U.S. malpractice lawsuits not fueling high cost of healthcare - UPI.com"

Just saying people will spin it anyway they want to.

All I know is the health systems that cost cheapest in the USA are the ones that cannot get sued or very haed to get sued (military and Va health system).
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:07 PM
 
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But you did refer to the 1% cost in your malpractice argument.

"You are uinformed. Legal costs are a very small part of healthcare costs (less than 1%).

U.S. malpractice lawsuits not fueling high cost of healthcare - UPI.com"

Just saying people will spin it anyway they want to.

All I know is the health systems that cost cheapest in the USA are the ones that cannot get sued or very haed to get sued (military and Va health system).
Sure - but if we can't know what those "defensive costs" are there's no point in debating them or making estimates about them - and I do agree that "defensive costs" are a big unknown. The 1% refers to "known" costs that can be discussed without a lot of pure guesswork.

Ken
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:19 PM
 
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Sure - but if we can't know what those "defensive costs" are there's no point in debating them or making estimates about them - and I do agree that "defensive costs" are a big unknown. The 1% refers to "known" costs that can be discussed without a lot of pure guesswork.

Ken
I'll agree with that.

Anyways. With the insurers margins of so called 3%. It's all funny numbers. We all know that. Business can accelerate or defer income to show different number.

The insurers are so in bed with the Obama administration when they wrote the ACA. It's no secret.

They aren't going away anytime soon.
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:24 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I'll agree with that.

Anyways. With the insurers margins of so called 3%. It's all funny numbers. We all know that. Business can accelerate or defer income to show different number.

The insurers are so in bed with the Obama administration when they wrote the ACA. It's no secret.

They aren't going away anytime soon.
Well, as I said, I'm no fan of the insurance companies but as long as we have a non-single-payer healthcare system, they are a part of the equation have to be considered. That's just the reality.

Ken
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:46 PM
 
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If the republicans don't recognize that this boat has already sailed, and successfully manage to destroy the ACA, they will seal their fates as a political party.


I bet they will be popular with the majority of Americans that despise this poor excuse of legislation.
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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They can't and aren't.

It's coming apart on its own because it is a mess that was passed without being properly analyzed.


The lighting likely wasn't very good at those late night back room deal making & arm twisting sessions needed to pass this.
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:52 PM
 
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Where do you get that from what you linked to?

From your link:

"...As I wrote yesterday, there's still a chance that the entire D.C. Circuit overturns yesterday's 2-1 decision, in which the court found the IRS isn't authorized to administer premium subsidies in the 36 states declining to set up their own insurance exchanges. If that decision gets overturned, then you'd have the D.C. Circuit in agreement with the 4th Circuit in Virginia — that federal exchanges can offer subsidies just like the state-run exchanges. Having similar rulings in the appellate courts could make it more likely that the Supreme Court wouldn't take up these challenges...

...I e-mailed Sunstein — who was working for the administration when the contested IRS subsidy rule was issued — to ask whether he sees potential trouble for ACA subsidies given the EPA decision. He declined (albeit politely) to offer much of a response.

He wrote: "Many thanks. I am not doing any interviews this summer, but I will say (just) this: I think that the Fourth Circuit was correct and that a majority of the Supreme Court would agree."


The 4th Circuit court AGREED with the Obama subsidies.

Ken
Your irrelevency is no more relevant this time.
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:53 PM
 
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No, because the premise that the government can improve health care has absolutely no basis in reality.
They could if that is what they wanted. They don't.
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:59 PM
 
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Your irrelevency is no more relevant this time.
So what is the relevancy of your link? It was YOUR LINK after all. I just quoted what was in it.

Ken
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:20 PM
 
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So what is the relevancy of your link? It was YOUR LINK after all. I just quoted what was in it.

Ken
My link shows why the supreme court will take the case and why they will rule against the actions taken by the IRS.
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