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So not only is chronology not your thing you also have a hard time understanding what the consequences are of the GAO creating 12 fictitious characters and having 11 of them receive subsidies and health insurance.
That's right, 11 imaginary people out of 12. That's 91.6% Ken. What that tells us is there's not a chance in hell that anyone has any clue how many people are a thallus signed up. There's absolutely no checks and balances and they're signing up tomato plants and rocks for all we know.
Take 5 minutes to read the GAO report from July 23rd if you have the guts to put your partisan hat down for a few minutes.
Statistics ALWAYS use SAMPLES. That's the NATURE of STATISTICS. Business decisions are made using samples EVERY SINGLE DAY. There's a REASON for that - it WORKS.
Not a chance.
Over 6 million have signed up on the Federal and State exchanges. Last I heard, the insurance companies reported that 85% had already paid their 1st premium (that percentage is probably even higher now).
In addition, 7 million people have been added the Medicaid rolls as a result of Obamacare.
The total: nearly 13 million - well over the 10 million I quoted.
"...both the federal and state insurance exchanges and the expansion of the federal Medicaid program under the law, the CBO projects more than 12 million people now have insurance who wouldn't have normally been covered in the absence of the law. The CBO also projects 19 million people will gain coverage by 2015, 25 million more by 2016, and 26 million more by 2026.
In 2014, according to the CBO, about 6 million people gained insurance from the exchanges and close to 7 million people benefitted from the Medicaid expansion. Those gains reduced the number of uninsured in the U.S. to 42 million —16% of the population. By 2024, the CBO projects, about 89% of U.S. residents will have health insurance...."
And they just keep coming. Even after open enrollment, activity remains unexpectedly high on federal health insurance exchanges.
"According to federal data released Wednesday to ProPublica, there have been nearly 1 million transactions on the exchange since [open enrollment ended]. People are allowed to sign up and switch plans after certain life events, such as job changes, moves, the birth of a baby, marriages and divorces.
The volume of these transactions was a jolt even for those who have watched the rollout of the ACA most closely."
Medicaid IS insurance - and though private insurance companies no less. It's just Federally subsidized - same as the Federal government subsidizes farm insurance and flood insurance and now the insurance on the Federal and State Obamacare exchanges. ALL those programs go through PRIVATE INSURANCE. Personally I wish it didn't but it does.
Ken
Knocking yourself in the head has taken its toll. Can you tell which private insurance companies sell Medicaid insurance ? Do Medicaid recipients pay a premium ?
Knocking yourself in the head has taken its toll. Can you tell which private insurance companies sell Medicaid insurance ? Do Medicaid recipients pay a premium ?
I have no idea which insurance companies are involved. It varies by state.
"...Beginning in the 1980s, many states received waivers from the federal government to create Medicaid managed care programs. Under managed care, Medicaid recipients are enrolled in a private health plan, which receives a fixed monthly premium from the state. The health plan is then responsible for providing for all or most of the recipient's healthcare needs. Today, all but a few states use managed care to provide coverage to a significant proportion of Medicaid enrollees. As of 2014, 26 states have contracts with MCOs to deliver long-term care for the elderly and individuals with disabilities. The states pay a monthly capitated rate per member to the MCOs that provide comprehensive care and accept the risk of managing total costs.[2] Nationwide, roughly 60% of enrollees are enrolled in managed care plans.[3] Core eligibility groups of poor children and parents are most likely to be enrolled in managed care, while the aged and disabled eligibility groups more often remain in traditional "fee for service" Medicaid.
Because the service level costs vary depending on the care and needs of the enrolled, a cost per person average is only a rough measure of actual cost of care. The annual cost of care will vary state to state depending on state approved Medicaid benefits, as well as the state specific care costs. 2008 average cost per senior was reported as $ 14,780, (in addition to Medicare), a state by state listing was provided.[4] In 2010 a national report for all age groups, the per enrolled average cost was calculated to $ 5,563, and a state by state and coverage age by coverage ag listing is provided...."
"...Premiums
Premiums are out of pocket expenses that you will pay to maintain your insurance coverage through Medicaid. You may be required to pay a premium if you are enrolled in Hoosier Healthwise or the Healthy Indiana Plan. For example, if you are a member of the Healthy Indiana Plan (HIP), you may have a premium of $45.00 that you must pay each month in order for your HIP coverage to continue. If you do not pay the premium, you will not continue to have the insurance. It is very important that if you have a premium you pay it on time each month so you do not lose coverage. If you lose coverage because of non-payment, you will have to reapply for the program and could potentially be put onto a waiting list or denied coverage for a determined amount of time due to your lapse in payment. Premiums vary per Medicaid program, and some programs may not have any premiums. You will be notified of a premium when you are notified of your enrollment into Medicaid..."
Maybe YOU should try "knocking yourself on the head".
Folks on the Right seem to be woefully uninformed about so many things that they are against - which probably explains why they are so set against them. FOX News veiwers I guess.
Ken
Last edited by LordBalfor; 07-25-2014 at 07:14 AM..
And they just keep coming. Even after open enrollment, activity remains unexpectedly high on federal health insurance exchanges.
"According to federal data released Wednesday to ProPublica, there have been nearly 1 million transactions on the exchange since [open enrollment ended]. People are allowed to sign up and switch plans after certain life events, such as job changes, moves, the birth of a baby, marriages and divorces.
The volume of these transactions was a jolt even for those who have watched the rollout of the ACA most closely."
Yeah, it's actually working pretty well. It WAS shaky to begin with to be sure, but that's not unusual with such things (Bush's medicare drug plan was a disaster at first but eventually became quite successful and popular). After that shaky start, the ACA is looking pretty good - with signups higher than expected, premium costs lower than feared (and those will go even LOWER as more people sign up) and estimates of the costs to the Federal government dropping rapidly (half of what was expected just 2 years ago).
I have no idea which insurance companies are involved. It varies by state.
"...Beginning in the 1980s, many states received waivers from the federal government to create Medicaid managed care programs. Under managed care, Medicaid recipients are enrolled in a private health plan, which receives a fixed monthly premium from the state. The health plan is then responsible for providing for all or most of the recipient's healthcare needs. Today, all but a few states use managed care to provide coverage to a significant proportion of Medicaid enrollees. As of 2014, 26 states have contracts with MCOs to deliver long-term care for the elderly and individuals with disabilities. The states pay a monthly capitated rate per member to the MCOs that provide comprehensive care and accept the risk of managing total costs.[2] Nationwide, roughly 60% of enrollees are enrolled in managed care plans.[3] Core eligibility groups of poor children and parents are most likely to be enrolled in managed care, while the aged and disabled eligibility groups more often remain in traditional "fee for service" Medicaid.
Because the service level costs vary depending on the care and needs of the enrolled, a cost per person average is only a rough measure of actual cost of care. The annual cost of care will vary state to state depending on state approved Medicaid benefits, as well as the state specific care costs. 2008 average cost per senior was reported as $ 14,780, (in addition to Medicare), a state by state listing was provided.[4] In 2010 a national report for all age groups, the per enrolled average cost was calculated to $ 5,563, and a state by state and coverage age by coverage ag listing is provided...."
"...Premiums
Premiums are out of pocket expenses that you will pay to maintain your insurance coverage through Medicaid. You may be required to pay a premium if you are enrolled in Hoosier Healthwise or the Healthy Indiana Plan. For example, if you are a member of the Healthy Indiana Plan (HIP), you may have a premium of $45.00 that you must pay each month in order for your HIP coverage to continue. If you do not pay the premium, you will not continue to have the insurance. It is very important that if you have a premium you pay it on time each month so you do not lose coverage. If you lose coverage because of non-payment, you will have to reapply for the program and could potentially be put onto a waiting list or denied coverage for a determined amount of time due to your lapse in payment. Premiums vary per Medicaid program, and some programs may not have any premiums. You will be notified of a premium when you are notified of your enrollment into Medicaid..."
I am aware that very few medicaid patients do indeed patient small co pays or small premiums.
But for states to off load medicaid patients to have private insurers cover their patients is ridiculous.
Again adding a "middle man" to the equation. These insurers are not doing it for free. Just adds to the total cost of medicaid.
I don't disagree with you on that. I don't really like the "middle man" either.
I guess the argument for using insurance companies is that they know how to do that function (handle payments to doctors/hospitals etc and what the appropriate costs are for the various services). That argument does make sense. I still don't like it though.
Easy interpretation. If it's "in the cart" it hasn't actually been sold and can't be counted as such. If someone goes into the website, fools around and selects this and that as what they want in a health-care insurance policy, then puts that in "the cart" but never follows through with payment, it is not a sale and that person cannot be counted as "one who has purchased ACA (aka Obama Care.)
I found it highly amusing, to be honest. The poster calls all Republicans liars, proceeds to post an absolute lie, and then supplies evidence that shows the Republicans were not lying.
Stizzel..did you just read the title of that pdf? Did you even BOTHER to read that little line at the end of each and every single one of those proposed amendments? You know, that line that said, 'rejected by a vote of x to x' or 'The Democrat majority did not consider this amendment in committee'"?
This is why I love CD. The hilarity never ends.
I love it as well. Those are the amendments that the RSC says were rejected, with no comparison to the ones that were ultimately adopted.
So how in the world can posters say nobody read the bill when it's clear they did, added amendments to the bill (to protect their constituents), and now claim because they didn't vote for it they have no say in it?
You guys get fooled by the GOP every time. The hilarity never ends.
Again, this thread is nothing but fake "outrage" at the process of writing this bill. No, it wasn't 2000 pages. Yes, the members did read and most of them understood what the legislation intended to do. The GOP members did too, but they spin and lie for all these conservative C-D posters to pretend this legislation wasn't passed by previous parliamentary measures (reconciliation) to rile up the base. That's all this is.
How in the world can you people lie and say the members didn't read the bill when they propsed detailed, specific changes (amendments) that were ultimately part of the final product?
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