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Fiscal conservatism has far more appeal, but it needs to be combined with socially moderate viewpoints, or it goes down, in national elections, with social conservatism.
Which only highlights that the term "conservative" does not have a single all encompassing definition.
A constitutional conservative, religious conservative, social conservative, fiscal conservative, environmental conservative, these are not all the same thing.
A person can be a registered Republican and not be any of the above, or they may be only one, or all of the above.
GW Bush for example, was only a religious and social conservative. Obama used to be a social conservative and an environmental conservative.
With Millenials overwhelmingly in favor of gay marriage will they forgive Republicans for opposing gay marriage so strongly in the present time. And when Republicans eventually come out in favor of gay marriage (which they will purely due to electoral math) will they look beyond their previous opposition to it or is it something the Republicans will live with for a generation?
What's there to forgive? What Wrong has been done? The kids will get older, learn more, understand more--and then they, too, will oppose these things.
whats there to forgive? People are allowed to believe whatever they want.
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With Millenials overwhelmingly in favor of gay marriage will they forgive Republicans for opposing gay marriage so strongly in the present time. And when Republicans eventually come out in favor of gay marriage (which they will purely due to electoral math) will they look beyond their previous opposition to it or is it something the Republicans will live with for a generation?
do you honestly think democrats are in favor in gay marriage because of principal and "equal rights"?
If you do, you are stupid. hillary needs the gay vote and their money.
All the GOP has to do to get forgiveness and a lock on future millennial votes is to run on a platform of phasing out Medicare and Social Security. Millennials especially hate the latter.
Believe me, the list could go much longer but I wasn't in the mood. My overall point stands - conservative pundits are no more nasty than liberal pundits. The whole country is ridiculously partisan now, and our president has something to do with it. If he didn't go around the country whining and making excuses about his lack of leadership to get Republicans to work with him, punishing their enemies, how people cling to their guns and religion, war on women BS, and actually called people together to try to get things done, then the country wouldn't give a darn what Rush Limbaugh had to say. Clinton was able to do his job despite Rush Limbaugh.
I'd say they're actually far less nasty. Look at the hateful things Bill Maher gets away with saying and gets to keep his show. He called Bachmann "retarded," Palin a "dumb tw*t" and a "c*nt" and made a sex toy joke aimed at Michelle Malkin. Recall when Ed Shultz called Laura Ingraham a ****, or when Olbermann called Malkin a "big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it", or when Martin Bashir expressed his desire for someone to defecate in Palin's mouth. And who can forget the Playboy's Top Ten list of Conservative women they want to "hatef*ck"
Conservative pundits sometimes make blanket insensitive comments, but nothing like the outright hate and often misogynist things left-wing pundits tend to think is OK to say.
Why not? They forgave all the Democrats who just a short time ago opposed it. Democrats changed their minds, publically anyways, quicker for political purposes.
do you honestly think democrats are in favor in gay marriage because of principal and "equal rights"?
If you do, you are stupid. hillary needs the gay vote and their money.
If you think that all the nongay people who have supported marriage equality for the past ten years have done so to get Hillary elected two years from now, you have an overly limited world view.
I'd say they're actually far less nasty. Look at the hateful things Bill Maher gets away with saying and gets to keep his show. He called Bachmann "retarded," Palin a "dumb tw*t" and a "c*nt" and made a sex toy joke aimed at Michelle Malkin. Recall when Ed Shultz called Laura Ingraham a ****, or when Olbermann called Malkin a "big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it", or when Martin Bashir expressed his desire for someone to defecate in Palin's mouth. And who can forget the Playboy's Top Ten list of Conservative women they want to "hatef*ck"
Conservative pundits sometimes make blanket insensitive comments, but nothing like the outright hate and often misogynist things left-wing pundits tend to think is OK to say.
I didn't know about the Playboy list, but I was going to mention that gay activist on Bill Maher's show saying he hopes Bachmann's husband "hatef*cks her every night." Funny, a word that really means rape, and they say it about conservative women because they believe conservative women are committing a "War on Women."
no its called group think in your case. "either you go along with what the majority thinks ( collective ) or you will be bullied out of our job or ostracised by society in general".
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If you think that all the nongay people who have supported marriage equality for the past ten years have done so to get Hillary elected two years from now, you have an overly limited world view.
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Fiscal conservatism has far more appeal, but it needs to be combined with socially moderate viewpoints, or it goes down, in national elections, with social conservatism.
