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You can say that the republican party is better for black people as much as you want, but as long as republican politicians and lawyers, the guys who decide policy, express their deep-seated contempt for black people through legislation and decisions, nobody will believe you - and they shouldn't.
It's amusing how difficult it is for some posters here to understand that when a party has been hostile to you for years, when they have demonized you and blamed you for everything that is wrong with this country, you WILL NOT VOTE FOR THAT PARTY! It really shouldn't be difficult to understand. But then we have this:
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Better to keep Blacks dumbed-down...
And you talk about being "dumbed down."
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Republicans want to give students vouchers, which 2/3 of Black adults support.
Guess which political party opposes vouchers, intentionally keeping Blacks undereducated and therefore socioeconomically oppressed?
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You can say that the republican party is better for black people as much as you want, but as long as republican politicians and lawyers, the guys who decide policy, express their deep-seated contempt for black people through legislation and decisions, nobody will believe you - and they shouldn't.
How is giving Black students school vouchers in any way expressing deep-seated contempt?
In Louisiana's voucher program to get kids out of underperforming public schools, 85% of the students receiving vouchers are Black.
And it was Democrat Biden who expressed contempt when he called Obama "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean," as if all others have always been inarticulate, dumb, and unclean.
How can you not see what Democrats are doing to Blacks? Serious question.
Republicans want to give students vouchers, which 2/3 of Black adults support.
Guess which political party opposes vouchers, intentionally keeping Blacks undereducated and therefore socioeconomically oppressed?
How is giving Black students school vouchers in any way expressing deep-seated contempt?
In Louisiana's voucher program to get kids out of underperforming public schools, 85% of the students receiving vouchers are Black.
And it was Democrat Biden who expressed contempt when he called Obama "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean," as if all others have always been inarticulate, dumb, and unclean.
How can you not see what Democrats are doing to Blacks? Serious question.
Yes. Our post-secondary education system uses selective admissions, and it's one of the best in the world, private AND public. Drop that down to K-12, and our country's K-12 education system could be one of the best in the world instead of lagging behind most other industrialized countries, like it now does.
Public K-12 is broken is this country, and it's not fixable as long as there are so many entrenched interests putting themselves first before the best interest of the students.
It's amusing how difficult it is for some posters here to understand that when a party has been hostile to you for years, when they have demonized you and blamed you for everything that is wrong with this country, you WILL NOT VOTE FOR THAT PARTY! It really shouldn't be difficult to understand. But then we have this:
Talk about being "dumbed down."
Sadly, no one seems to care at all. I have this to say about it.
If the GOP wants more Black votes, this is what it can do.
1) Stop discussion the Constitution in terms of "the way it existed in George Washington's day". In George Washington's day, most Blacks were slaves. The Constitution didn't help Blacks in those days.
2) Stop talking about how one pines for the 1950s. Blacks were under the yoke of Jim Crow in those days.
3) In general, watch what you say. Politicians such as Trent Lott and Jon Hubbard are good example of things not to be said. Trent Lott with admitting his admiration for Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond. Jon Hubbard and his comment about how he thinks slavery was a blessing in disguise.
-There is more. Rick Santorum and this comment of "I don't want Blacks to be successful off of my dollars". He could have said "I want to bring jobs to people, I want to help people build businesses for themselves. I want to help you build". He could have said that to Blacks, and it would have been much more receivable.
-Newt Gingrich could have said "this is what I can do. I can campaign to spur more business growth, more jobs, that is what my plan is. I want to help bring more jobs". No, he had to say "Blacks should see jobs, not food stamps". The people he was addressing were not even considering food stamps. However, Newt Gingrich made an erroneous assumption that all Blacks wanted were food stamps.
4) Sit down and listen to what Black voters have to say. That helps alot. If you ignore voters, they won't vote for you. If you listen to them, and don't treat them like outcastes, you are more likely to get votes.
5) Quit talking about how "we're the party of Lincoln" and "abolition". Lincoln freed the slaves not because he was altruistic or had love for Blacks. He did it because he didn't want the British to get involved with the war. He would not have freed the slaves at all if he could help it. And the Republican Party might have started over abolition, but things have changed since then. What have you done in the last 30 years? What are you going to do TODAY??
Generally, this is the thing:
-Stop referring to how great things were in the past, or this great glory of the past. Things only started improving for Blacks in the late 1960s.
-Don't speak to Blacks as if they are some kind of burden on society. Believe it or not, many of us are hardworking people who have important values. Most of us are God-fearing people. Talking to Blacks as if they are some kind of burden will turn off the Black people who are taking care of business.
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Yes. Our post-secondary education system uses selective admissions, and it's one of the best in the world, private AND public. Drop that down to K-12, and our country's K-12 education system could be one of the best in the world instead of lagging behind most other industrialized countries, like it now does.
Public K-12 is broken is this country, and it's not fixable as long as there are so many entrenched interests putting themselves first before the best interest of the students.
So if every kid can get a voucher does that mean they cannot all go to the best school?
So if every kid can get a voucher does that mean they cannot all go to the best school?
Vouchers never come close to covering the costs for the best private schools in any case - although they sometimes provide enough to cover costs for Catholic schools. But in any event, republicans also advocate reducing aid for college students, and cutting money and resources from public schools, so this one is a wash.
So if every kid can get a voucher does that mean they cannot all go to the best school?
Just like not every college students in CA can go to Stanford or UC Berkeley.
There are schools at all levels. We can educate everyone to the best of their ability/motivation level if we do a much better job of matching the student to the school. In most cases, neighborhood public schools are under-educating way too many students. By the 8th grade, Only 1/3 of our country's public school students are educated to grade level proficiency. There's not one single state that even educates 1/2 of their public school students to grade-level proficiency.
Our country's public school system as it's currently run is an abysmal failure, and not only could the entrenched interests not care less, but they have actually no intention whatsoever of fixing the problems. Keeping kids trapped in the public schools that are under-educating them is NOT an acceptable policy.
Vouchers never come close to covering the costs for the best private schools in any case
They can institute a need-based scholarship program to make up the difference. It would be wonderful if rich liberals donated generously to fund such programs, as I'm sure giving a gifted disadvantaged student the best education possible would be something liberals would support. They can put their money where their mouths are, if they actually really gave a sh*t. (I suspect they don't. The result would be very telling. )
Just like not every college students in CA can go to Stanford or UC Berkeley.
There are schools at all levels. We can educate everyone to the best of their ability/motivation level if we do a much better job of matching the student to the school. In most cases, neighborhood public schools are under-educating way too many students. By the 8th grade, Only 1/3 of our country's public school students are educated to grade level proficiency. There's not one single state that even educates 1/2 of their public school students to grade-level proficiency.
Our country's public school system as it's currently run is an abysmal failure, and not only could the entrenched interests not care less, but they have actually no intention whatsoever of fixing the problems. Keeping kids trapped in the public schools that are under-educating them is NOT an acceptable policy.
Oh so the vouchers just move up the selection process from college to kindergarten. I guess that means we can accurately determine the success of children's futures by the time they are 5? I would think that all the kids with vouchers would want to go to the best school possible. And since there would be an automatic bottleneck based on vouchers, there will be kids relegates to even worse schools. And I don't think you can use the comparison of college to grade school. Since grade school is meant to teach children into functioning adults at least. The idea of vouchers is supposed to help those get out of bad schools. If everyone gets vouchers how will most of them get out?
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