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Old 07-31-2014, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Then why aren't they?

Well, some are... the younger and more educated Blacks are fleeing blue states and moving to red states for better job opportunities and quality of life, according to the U.S. Census.
And what is your darned point about flagging this repeatedly?

Well, if what you're saying is true, then it follows that an influx of black people into the so-called red states, particularly those who are younger/better educated, may over time, change the electoral political map in these states. Particularly in states like Georgia (which is also experiencing an even larger increase in Latino population growth). Which would refute the theme of this thread.

 
Old 08-01-2014, 05:21 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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There is more than just one alternative.
Like what? And if that were so, why haven't any of the other alternatives been successfully implemented over the 40+ year decline of the U.S.'s public education system?
 
Old 08-01-2014, 05:26 AM
 
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And what is your darned point about flagging this repeatedly?
To make sure the truth gets out. Several in this thread are still in denial.

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Well, if what you're saying is true, then it follows that an influx of black people into the so-called red states, particularly those who are younger/better educated, may over time, change the electoral political map in these states.
Why would anyone continue to vote for the political party that ruined the states they've fled? Are you suggesting they are incapable of making the connection? Interesting...
 
Old 08-02-2014, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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To make sure the truth gets out. Several in this thread are still in denial.

Why would anyone continue to vote for the political party that ruined the states they've fled? Are you suggesting they are incapable of making the connection? Interesting...
I think you're just trying to manufacture an issue that isn't all that significant in the whole scheme of things, and it's just wishful thinking on your part.

Most folks don't move from a place to another place because of electoral politics as primary issue. I'd like to see you cite a source for this.

What I can tell you is that most transplants will bring their political voting patterns from their previous place of residence, at least for the short and medium term. You've seen this with the early Midwest transplants to Orange County, CA, which accounts for their conservative leaning tradition (though this is changing with the cultural diversity today in Orange County). It's highly unlikely they're going to change their voting habits in their new state. And this is likely to be even more so for African Americans. Seriously, you think a black family moving from California to Georgia is going to vote Republican when they move to ATL?
 
Old 08-02-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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Vote for who you want, not the person who knows how to scare you the most.
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I don't really find this funny. This is the way I see it. People are going to look out for themselves. That goes to voting as well.
Exactly.. and that is why fear mongering is such an effective tactic. Do you remember when Biden said

"they'll put ya'll back in chains"? So over the top yet the crowd actually reacted to that. Did people really buy into that?

"they'll put ya'll back in chains"

obvious, over the top fear mongering yet Obama followers will deny that the left uses fear mongering to gin up the base lol

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Old 08-02-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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To make sure the truth gets out. Several in this thread are still in denial.

Why would anyone continue to vote for the political party that ruined the states they've fled? Are you suggesting they are incapable of making the connection? Interesting...
No, you're suggesting it. You're just trying to be slick about it. You've been doing that for the whole thread.

You're really not that clever...just so you know..
 
Old 08-02-2014, 10:03 AM
 
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And what is your darned point about flagging this repeatedly?
It's his usual tactic when he can't refute a point. He simply posts the same thing over and over and over again any time anyone attempts to engage in discussion. When you have no critical thinking skills you are left with simple parroting of talking points.
 
Old 08-02-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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I think you're just trying to manufacture an issue that isn't all that significant in the whole scheme of things, and it's just wishful thinking on your part.
Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile...

Let's take a look at what the college and career readiness statistics show... and it doesn't matter if one doesn't intend to go to college, the same academic skills are needed by those who wish to pursue a career as a skilled tradesman, and particularly by those who wish to start and manage their own business.

College & Career Readiness statistics:

African American: 5%
American Indian: 10%
Asian: 43%
Hispanic: 14%
Pacific Islander: 19%
White: 33%

The Condition of College & Career Readiness 2013 | ACT College Readiness Benchmarks by Race/Ethnicity | ACT

Does it not in fact look like some demographic groups are getting inferior educations? Or are they just dumber than everyone else? I think it's the former, but many on this thread seem to want to go with the latter.

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Most folks don't move from a place to another place because of electoral politics as primary issue. I'd like to see you cite a source for this.
I already did: the U.S. Census.
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"The percentage of the nation’s black population living in the South has hit its highest point in half a century, according to census data released Thursday, as younger and more educated black residents move out of declining cities in the Northeast and Midwest in search of better opportunities."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/us...anted=all&_r=0

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What I can tell you is that most transplants will bring their political voting patterns from their previous place of residence, at least for the short and medium term.
I disagree. We already know how this works by the statistics on what happens when people move from the cities out to the suburbs. Cities tend to vote blue. Suburbs tend to vote red. This can clearly be seen in the 2010 Illinois U.S. Senate election:




Those fleeing the cities for the suburbs for a better quality of life understand that it's the blue policies that have generated the problems from which they're fleeing. Their political affiliation evolves to match their new and better environment.
 
Old 08-02-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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I disagree. We already know how this works by the statistics on what happens when people move from the cities out to the suburbs. Cities tend to vote blue. Suburbs tend to vote red. This can clearly be seen in the 2010 Illinois U.S. Senate election:

Those fleeing the cities for the suburbs for a better quality of life understand that it's the blue policies that have generated the problems from which they're fleeing. Their political affiliation evolves to match their new and better environment.
Take a closer look at the map, IC. Look at the suburbs of Chicago. You can see them better in this electoral map from 2012:

United States presidential election in Illinois, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See those blue counties that surround Chicago? They are called the collar counties here in Illinois, and a few decades ago they were solid red. In the last few decades, as population moved out of the city and into the suburbs, they turned blue. Downstate Illinois has always been red because it's mostly rural. Lots of cows and cornfields, not much population. All the population in Illinois is in Chicago and the surrounding counties, and they are all blue.

Guess that blows your theory about what happens in the suburbs when people move from the big city, huh?
 
Old 08-02-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Take a closer look at the map, IC. Look at the suburbs of Chicago. You can see them better in this electoral map from 2012:

United States presidential election in Illinois, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You should be asking yourself WHY suburban voters didn't want to support Obama with a D U.S. Senator:

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