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Old 07-25-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Reagan certainly deserves credit. He was the one who kicked them while they were down.

I know that sounds like a backhanded compliment, but really, someone needed to do it.

For Republican propagandistic purposes, of course, it is made out like Reagan rode in on a horse with only 5 bullets in his pouch and a knife with a loose pommel and took out the commie devils one by one.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Many of the "programs" Reagan threw money had never went into service and some such as Starwars were not even possible at the time so do not speak of conservatives not spending money wastefully the man setup the spending spree that has gone on since he left office and left us on the path the deeper and deeper debt.
Is that your excuse for the massive debt increase that Obama is responsible for? I think he holds the record.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Yet we still hear the persistent myth of conservatives standing for less government spending.

As I recall, Reagan left office with record deficits. Still I gladly voted for him both in 1980 and 84. He was off target on environmental issues, especially. But his term was a good period for the USA.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:31 PM
 
Location: New York City
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No, Reagan did not end the USSR. The USSR ended the USSR. Reagan just happened to be in office at the same time. His "Star Wars" program would've destabilized the world by ending Mutually Assured Destruction.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Reagan certainly deserves credit. He was the one who kicked them while they were down.

I know that sounds like a backhanded compliment, but really, someone needed to do it.

For Republican propagandistic purposes, of course, it is made out like Reagan rode in on a horse with only 5 bullets in his pouch and a knife with a loose pommel and took out the commie devils one by one.
He also tripled the deficit with defense spending so he really outspent them (the American way). But of course that was before anyone on the right cared about the deficit.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:33 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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FOXBAT is the NATO codename for a MIG-25. A Soviet Air Force pilot defected to Japan with one in the mid 70s. It led to a turn around in US thinking when it came to a perceived Soviet advantage in weaponry.
I was still on active duty in 1976 when Viktor Belenko flew his Mig-25 to Japan and defected. It generated a whole lot of message traffic concerning the plane's less than stellar performance. Turns out it could do one thing well; climb up to high altitudes quickly and chase down slower bombers. It was a one trick pony. Virtually no maneuverability. In a dogfight, all it could do was run away if it was up far enough. At lower altitudes, it was a dog and an easy kill.

Belenko's book, Mig Pilot, is an excellent read. He goes into great detail about what it was like serving in the soviet Air Force and how laughably inept it was.

Highly recommended.

Mig Pilot: The Final Escape of Lt. Belenko: John Barron: 9780380538683: Amazon.com: Books
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:36 PM
 
Location: New York City
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As I recall, Reagan left office with record deficits. Still I gladly voted for him both in 1980 and 84. He was off target on environmental issues, especially. But his term was a good period for the USA.
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He also tripled the deficit with defense spending so he really outspent them (the American way). But of course that was before anyone on the right cared about the deficit.
I say this as a liberal, but government deficits aren't necessarily bad.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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The USSR feared Regan. When you combine that with his military push and their faltering economy that could never keep up it should come as no surprise.
The USSR feared every American president.

That's because they knew they were woefully overmatched.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:48 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The USSR feared every American president.

That's because they knew they were woefully overmatched.
Actually, for a long time, the Soviets' conventional armies would've curbstomped NATO in all-out but conventional war. Predictions had the Red Army at the Rhine by D-14. NATO's defense plan consisted of tac-nukes to stop the Soviets' superior tank columns.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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Actually, for a long time, the Soviets' conventional armies would've curbstomped NATO in all-out but conventional war. Predictions had the Red Army at the Rhine by D-14. NATO's defense plan consisted of tac-nukes to stop the Soviets' superior tank columns.
We could've NEVER beaten the Soviets in a conventional war on the European continent.

I mean, that's just common sense.
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