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Old 07-25-2014, 08:36 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The slowest recovery in American history.
Even FDR had better numbers.


The only thing keeping the illusion afloat, is the federal reserve.
But the consequences of that is, a drastic push for a two class society.


Part time work has replaced full time work, in all places except the rich elite.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:54 AM
 
Location: United States
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Inflation has been rising faster than the wages of the working class for almost 40 years now. The middle class turned a blind eye to the plight of the working class, now it's their turn to see their real wages drop. The middle class choose poorly when the decided not to help the working class fight the policies that were driving their wages down. It didn't take a financial expert to know that the assault on wages would eventually include the middle class.
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Old 07-25-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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Inflation has been rising faster than the wages of the working class for almost 40 years now. The middle class turned a blind eye to the plight of the working class, now it's their turn to see their real wages drop. The middle class choose poorly when the decided not to help the working class fight the policies that were driving their wages down. It didn't take a financial expert to know that the assault on wages would eventually include the middle class.
That's because the government consumes ever larger percentages of the wealth that's produced - which used to benefit everyone. Now, it's all wasted by government - the reason wages have fallen.
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Old 07-25-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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Good post, and one I expect to Mircea to show up in to drop knowledge on all of us, but allow me to prime the pump a smidgen:

Facts:
  • The M1 money supply has doubled in the last 10 years (actually, it has doubled in the last 6, coniciding with someone holding office, but I digress).
  • The M2 money supply has just about doubled in the last 10 years.
  • Inflation, always and everywhere, is a function of the money supply in a given economy.
Now, here's the questions relating to those facts:
  • Has your net income doubled in the last 10 years?
  • Has your total compensation doubled in the last 10 years?
  • Has your stock portfolio (the whole reason for us keeping interest rates artificially low and pumping all this new money into the economy in the first place) doubled in value in the last 10 years?
  • Has the value of ALL of your non-stock assets doubled in the last 10 years?

Add it all up, and ask yourself if your entire net financial picture has doubled in the last 10 years. If it has not, then you are worse off than you were 10 years ago. If it has, good for you. The break point however, is doubling in the last 10 years. Below is bad, above is good, on the nose means treading water.
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Old 07-25-2014, 09:33 AM
 
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The slowest recovery in American history.
Even FDR had better numbers.


The only thing keeping the illusion afloat, is the federal reserve.
But the consequences of that is, a drastic push for a two class society.


Part time work has replaced full time work, in all places except the rich elite.
I'm educated as are all of my friends. I think the part time work is for the knuckledraggers who sit around and whine about Obama all day. Engineers, doctors, lawyers, accountants, and the slew of other professionals aren't being moved to part time work.
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Old 07-25-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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Good post, and one I expect to Mircea to show up in to drop knowledge on all of us, but allow me to prime the pump a smidgen:

Facts:
  • The M1 money supply has doubled in the last 10 years (actually, it has doubled in the last 6, coniciding with someone holding office, but I digress).
  • The M2 money supply has just about doubled in the last 10 years.
  • Inflation, always and everywhere, is a function of the money supply in a given economy.
Now, here's the questions relating to those facts:
  • Has your net income doubled in the last 10 years?
  • Has your total compensation doubled in the last 10 years?
  • Has your stock portfolio (the whole reason for us keeping interest rates artificially low and pumping all this new money into the economy in the first place) doubled in value in the last 10 years?
  • Has the value of ALL of your non-stock assets doubled in the last 10 years?
Add it all up, and ask yourself if your entire net financial picture has doubled in the last 10 years. If it has not, then you are worse off than you were 10 years ago. If it has, good for you. The break point however, is doubling in the last 10 years. Below is bad, above is good, on the nose means treading water.
Money supply is only one variable (out of four) in the equation you are referring to.

The problem with your argument is that money hasn't been changing hands. Pumping the economy with cash hasn't stimulated it, because the rich took their money and ran (overseas tax shelters, holding it in unrealized gains, etc). Money has to change hands for the inflationary effect you speak of to come to fruition.
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Old 07-25-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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Inflation has been rising faster than the wages of the working class for almost 40 years now. The middle class turned a blind eye to the plight of the working class, now it's their turn to see their real wages drop. The middle class choose poorly when the decided not to help the working class fight the policies that were driving their wages down. It didn't take a financial expert to know that the assault on wages would eventually include the middle class.
If I have ever read a messed up post, this would be it. So much ignorance in so few words.
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Old 07-25-2014, 10:00 AM
 
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I'm educated as are all of my friends. I think the part time work is for the knuckledraggers who sit around and whine about Obama all day. Engineers, doctors, lawyers, accountants, and the slew of other professionals aren't being moved to part time work.
And the knuckle draggers that "praise Obama" all day "will feel the pain". They are getting what they worked for and voted for.

We tried telling you that if you want to keep your job you better vote so Obama loses his. You didn't now suffer the consequence of your vote.
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Old 07-25-2014, 10:08 AM
 
Location: United States
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I'm educated as are all of my friends. I think the part time work is for the knuckledraggers who sit around and whine about Obama all day. Engineers, doctors, lawyers, accountants, and the slew of other professionals aren't being moved to part time work.

This is the mentality that lead to the poor decision I mentioned in my earlier post.
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Old 07-25-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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If I have ever read a messed up post, this would be it. So much ignorance in so few words.
Yet, you can't explain why.

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Inflation has been rising faster than the wages of the working class for almost 40 years now. The middle class turned a blind eye to the plight of the working class, now it's their turn to see their real wages drop. The middle class choose poorly when the decided not to help the working class fight the policies that were driving their wages down. It didn't take a financial expert to know that the assault on wages would eventually include the middle class.
Yep. Inflation has been just 2-3% (trending down to 1-2% as of late), yet Middle Class wages are stagnant. However, wages in the financial sector and CEO pay has risen astronomically..
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