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Old 07-27-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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And your issue with this is ?
What you said is not correct. We are not talking about those who work from India or China at all. We are talking about those who live in the US and work in the US.
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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What you said is not correct. We are not talking about those who work from India or China at all. We are talking about those who live in the US and work in the US.
Ok and your issue with this is ?

83% of those permanents started off as H1-B.

Companies go for skill.
And there is a mistrust of Chinese workers which I think they brought upon themselves with all that has been uncovered in the press like tainted food, key loggers in brand new hard drives, etc.
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:44 AM
 
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Ok and your issue with this is ?

83% of those permanents started off as H1-B.

Companies go for skill.
And there is a mistrust of Chinese workers which I think they brought upon themselves with all that has been uncovered in the press like tainted food, key loggers in brand new hard drives, etc.
And you think those have anything to do with programming jobs?
Did you know pollution is worse in India than in China? You think US media is always fair to other countries?

H1b jobs must have labor certification too, and the salary must be higher than prevailing wage. So the 1/4 story is nonsense unless you talked about those who stay in India.
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Old 07-27-2014, 12:07 PM
 
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And you think those have anything to do with programming jobs?
Did you know pollution is worse in India than in China? You think US media is always fair to other countries?

H1b jobs must have labor certification too, and the salary must be higher than prevailing wage. So the 1/4 story is nonsense unless you talked about those who stay in India.
Companies contract out to firms like Wipro and Infosys for a set dollar figure.
What these companies pay their workers is up to the company.


Indian IT companies snap most H1B visas in 2012 - The American Bazaar
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Old 07-27-2014, 12:31 PM
 
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Companies contract out to firms like Wipro and Infosys for a set dollar figure.
What these companies pay their workers is up to the company.


Indian IT companies snap most H1B visas in 2012 - The American Bazaar
No, in the H1b application form, there is a blank for wage, and there is another blank for prevailing wage.
How the worker is employed does not matter at all. Don't assume DOL and USCIS know nothing.

Yes illegal activities occur but the majority of the jobs are legal.
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Old 07-27-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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Permanent Labor Certification leads to a "green card".

Should it be a little more balanced with respect to nationality? Especially, many of the Indian workers are in the same industry - IT.

Does the US really want all software engineers to be from the same country in the future? Certainly it will change the culture of the companies too.

Top 5:

India 56%
China 7%
Canada 5%
South Korea 4%
Philippines 3%

http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.g...Y2014_Q3TD.pdf

And the Indian Government spends $11.46 per student per year.....




Unions...the most advanced concept in Education since corporal punishment (the paddle)...


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Old 07-28-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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And the Indian Government spends $11.46 per student per year.....




Unions...the most advanced concept in Education since corporal punishment (the paddle)...


Mircea
The literacy rate of India is 74%

haha indeed. 1 out of 4 of them cant even read.

Theres a severe shortage of proper school facilities, 89% have no toilets, 59% no drinking water. The average student to teacher rate is 1:42.

Yes Mircea, we should educate our people like that
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:07 PM
 
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The literacy rate of India is 74%

haha indeed. 1 out of 4 of them cant even read.

Theres a severe shortage of proper school facilities, 89% have no toilets, 59% no drinking water. The average student to teacher rate is 1:42.

Yes Mircea, we should educate our people like that
Yet all the big US companies have built huge R&D centers in Bangalore.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:20 PM
 
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Yet all the big US companies have built huge R&D centers in Bangalore.
We're grabbing folks whose parents had the $ to teach them, or who were the most talented of their poorly educated cohorts. And we get to pay them very little. Its a big win for the companies. not so much for India itself. But with a population of 1.2 billion, think about just how few r&d jobs there are compared to the US.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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The literacy rate of India is 74%
You wasted $Millions of tax-payer dollars trying to murder Prime Minister Nehru in cold blood for Declaring Neutrality While Non-White and then you have the gall to laugh at their literacy rate?

You levied 4 decades of economic and financial sanctions on India for Declaring Neutrality While Non-White and for having a nuclear energy program and a nuclear weapons program, and then criticize them for their literacy rate?

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haha indeed. 1 out of 4 of them cant even read.
There's 1 Billion of them.....750 Million are literate. If the US population was 1 Billion right now, what do you think the literacy rate would be?

And don't forget that thanks to the Wonderful Christian policies of Britain and the US that India is still 3rd World.

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Theres a severe shortage of proper school facilities, 89% have no toilets, 59% no drinking water. The average student to teacher rate is 1:42.
None of those things have anything to do with education.



Those kids will come to America and take your jobs.....because they are better educated...even though they don't have carpeting and central heat/air and toilets and soap dispensers and cable-TV and computers.

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We're grabbing folks whose parents had the $ to teach them, or who were the most talented of their poorly educated cohorts.
Okay, fair enough.

India is a federal republic.....oh, that's right, you can't discern the differences between nations, nation-States, Dual-States and Countries, much less federal republics.

Anyway just like the US, India is a country -- not a nation -- and has States.

Like the US, India has both government schools and private schools.

The enrollment in private schools is heavily based on the State itself. The average enrollment in private schools is 28% for all of India. However, averages are totally freaking meaningless, but in this case the average is also the median. Assam has a private school enrollment of 6%, while Punjab has the highest rate at 52%

The most expensive private schools in India are in Himachal Pradesh: $106 per year tuition.

The cheapest private schools are in Assam: $28 per year tuition.

The average private school tuition for all 23 Indian States is $59 annual tuition.

Just like the US, the Cost-of-Living is not uniform....it varies widely. I have no data on that, but the point is that $28 Assam Dollars might be equivalent to $106 Pradesh Dollars in the exact same way that $54,000 Cincinnati Dollars equals $100,000 White Plains (NJ) Dollars.

Accordingly, private school tuition of $5,400 in Cincinnati equals $10,000 in White Plains, but that is clearly Private Education Inequality.

The Liberal Utopian solution for that is a one-size-fits-all-Pol-Pot program taxing the snot out of Americans to give them $8,000 for private tuition.

The new Private Education Equality now has families in Cincinnati getting $8,000 tax-payer dollars and being enriched at tax-payer expense making a profit of $2,600 while families in White Plains get jerked around by Liberals twice: once being raped by taxes, and the other being shorted $2,000 (since $10,000 - $8,000 = $2,000).

Before people get stupid and starting tossing education spending figures around, know that such comparisons are worthless and dumb.

One of the thing Liberals are too dumb to understand is that it is never the amount of money you spend, rather it is how you spend that money. In the US, education money goes to swanky buildings and administrative salaries -- and both are drags on education -- and not to teachers and teaching time.


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And we get to pay them very little.
Based on your egocentrically ethnocentric subjective standards.

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Its a big win for the companies. not so much for India itself.
No, it is a big win for India.

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But with a population of 1.2 billion, think about just how few r&d jobs there are compared to the US.
Just think if Liberals hadn't destroyed the public education system, you would have started the transition to your 5th Level R&D Economy in the mid-1990s, and nobody would give a damn about the loss of manufacturing jobs, since plenty of good-paying R&D jobs would be available.

Liberal Logic...it's what destroys economies....

Mircea
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