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View Poll Results: Israel should keep fighting in Gaza until Hamas surrenders
YES! That is the only way to win a war 128 64.00%
NO, too many innocents will die if they fight to win 62 31.00%
Don't know 10 5.00%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-01-2014, 04:44 PM
 
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So what you have here are semantics about the meaning of Human Shields. However, Amnesty indicates they have evidence that Hamas is storing arms and firing rockets from residential areas. To me that certainly qualifies as HUMAN SHIELDS.
Nope. Take your own advice and read the entire quote again. In particular, the following sentence towards the end:

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In any case, public statements referring to entire areas are not the same as directing specific civilians to remain in their homes as “human shields” for fighters, munitions, or military equipment.
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Old 08-01-2014, 04:51 PM
 
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Nope. Take your own advice and read the entire quote again. In particular, the following sentence towards the end:
Pure semantics. They verified that the Palestinians are storing munitions and firing rockets from residential areas, which is a war crime. Furthermore they admit Hamas are encouraging people to stay in their homes and ignore the warnings from Israel, "over entire areas". In other words, they have no proof that Hamas locked specific families in their homes. Big deal!
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Old 08-01-2014, 04:58 PM
 
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Pure semantics. They verified that the Palestinians are storing munitions and firing rockets from residential areas, which is a war crime. Furthermore they admit Hamas are encouraging people to stay in their homes and ignore the warnings from Israel, "over entire areas". In other words, they have no proof that Hamas locked specific families in their homes. Big deal!
And why wouldn't they. This is the only religion that you see strap bombs onto there children and blow them up. It's all about sacrificing yourself or your children for their chosen god.
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Old 08-01-2014, 05:35 PM
 
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Hamas has broken the second cease fire.

At this point they deserve no quarter.

There is no cease fire with them.
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Old 08-01-2014, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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The numbers of Christians killing other Christians from the Revolutionary War, Civil War, World War 1, and World War 2 combined was certainly in the millions; although they happened prior to 1948. To a lesser extent, it happened in Vietnam and Iraq too, as about 9% of Vietnam is Christian and 5% of Iraq is Christian. Certainly, the majority of US troops were Christian.

Christians have been responsible for far too many deaths to be overly judgemental IMO. We killed nearly a million people in southeast Asia just in the 60's and early 70's alone, but often only grieve for the 60,000 troops we lost. It should be for all who lost their lives IMO. You judge everyone by the same criteria. Victims are victims regardless of their religion anyways. No one religious group has a monopoly on violence...or peace for that matter. I'll be called a bleeding heart for saying these things, but the facts are the facts.

Ironically, if I was not a fair minded and concerned Christian myself I would probably not be sharing this information.

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Old 08-01-2014, 06:09 PM
 
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As to the thread title, it appears Israel will go for the total win in the conflict this time. There is not much the US or UN can do at this point. Both sides in that conflict have failed to act in good faith. Israel must accept consequences and risks trading a short term win here for consequences like rebuilding costs, strained relations with some Allies and a break in relations from others. There is a also a chance some other nation that is their enemy will launch an attack on them or commit terrorist actions in the future. I just hope they don't regret the consequences. I was hoping the cease fire would be honored, but doubt there is any chance at this point.

No one looking at this objectively can put all the blame on one side or the other. Both sides have failed miserably.That is both the realistic and mature viewpoint when we look at the facts and circumstances first and put them ahead of our personal biases.
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Old 08-01-2014, 06:16 PM
 
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As to the thread title, it appears Israel will go for the total win in the conflict this time. There is not much the US or UN can do at this point. Both sides in that conflict have failed to act in good faith. Israel must accept consequences and risks trading a short term win here for consequences like rebuilding costs, strained relations with some Allies and a break in relations from others. There is a also a chance some other nation that is their enemy will launch an attack on them or commit terrorist actions in the future. I just hope they don't regret the consequences. I was hoping the cease fire would be honored, but doubt there is any chance at this point.

No one looking at this objectively can put all the blame on one side or the other. Both sides have failed miserably.That is both the realistic and mature viewpoint when we look at the facts and circumstances first and put them ahead of our personal biases.
It's no secret other Arab nations are giving Gaza support.

Israel probably isn't worried about being outright attacked by one.

Yom Kippur War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-01-2014, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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And why wouldn't they. This is the only religion that you see strap bombs onto there children and blow them up. It's all about sacrificing yourself or your children for their chosen god.
What about the Christians who murder doctors who commit abortions or bomb clinics that provide abortions?
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Old 08-01-2014, 06:51 PM
 
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they came to power because fatahh were sell outs , corrupt

hammass provided services to the people on the ground , pallestinians know that traditional diplomacy wont work as israel lie all the time , on top of that , any kind of international attempt to negotiate is completely hampered by americas complete lack if impartiality
Wow! Just wow! Here is someone capable of completely ignoring all obvious facts and coming to a 180 degree conclusion based upon nothing.

Hamas provides nothing Palestinians do not know how to provide themselves.

Israelis know that diplomacy will not work with people whose published charter stipulates the eradication of Israel, who kidnap Israelis even during truce periods and lie about deaths of civilians. 180 degrees!

Any kind of international attempt to negotiate is completely hampered by OTHER countries supplying weaponry to Hamas with them knowing America has been a declared ally of Israel since it's inception. Again, 180 degrees.

You've got the saddle on the horse facing it's ass end instead; perhaps that's colouring your view.
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Old 08-01-2014, 06:51 PM
 
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Then to which countries is it okay to provide aid? Criteria?
There may be an argument to give some nations aid in cases of humanitarian crises or in order to influence policy, but there's little reason why we should be giving any country an unaccountable, no-questions-asked $3 billion a year.
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