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View Poll Results: Israel should keep fighting in Gaza until Hamas surrenders
YES! That is the only way to win a war 128 64.00%
NO, too many innocents will die if they fight to win 62 31.00%
Don't know 10 5.00%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-29-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The terrorist cowards use children for shields.. that is how despicable they are.. they will do anything, harm anyone to win. They have no rules.

How can one fight a war without killing anyone? They will just get more bombs, more missiles and kill us. And they don't declare war. They sneak around and attack with surprise at anyone.. citizens, children, babies , anyone.. they are not selective who they kill.
The people of Gaza put Hamas in charge... I guess Hamas has their version of FOX "news" in operation there.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Down the rabbit hole
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I don't understand modern war. American keeps telling Israel that it needs to stop fighting Hamas and pull out it's troops before the job is done. (Why is it our business anyway? Is Mexico telling Israel how to fight against terrorists?)

In WW2, America fought to win the war and kept bombing and killing people, including thousands of civilians until Japan, Germany and Italy lost the will to fight. To kill the Nazi leadership and troops many civilians died. America had to destroy their enemy's will to fight. Israel needs to do the same. Keep fighting until they (Hamas) says Uncle.

Didn't we learn our lesson from Korea and Vietnam that you have to fight a war to win? If Israel is being attacked, let them fight the war until the other side says uncle and they lose their will to keep fighting and lay down their arms. That is how wars ended throughout history.

Agree or disagree?

You can't compare WWII to Vietnam, Iran, Afghanistan or Israel. The closest you can come in modern times would have been the Gulf war which for all intents and purposes was a massive bombing campaign followed up by a mop-up. The rest have been guerrilla wars. There are no armies as such, no columns of troops marching across the country, no uniforms and very loose regimentation. You can't fight a guerrilla war with conventional warfare, you'll never win because you never know who the enemy is. It is interesting to note however that the word "terrorist" has replaced the word "guerrilla" in the media today......a subtle way of telling the people how they should think.

Years ago the word guerrilla was associated with freedom fighters.........but now they're terrrorists? We aren't fighting terrorists in Afghanistan, we're fighting a population that trying to repel a foreign invader. The same is happening in Israel. The Palestinians are fighting for their freedom. The only way Israel could win is to completely eliminate Gaza.....and they still won't win. They'll come from Jordan, they'll come from Syria and Saudi Arabia too and they'll still fight the Jews..........Fighting and killing is not the way that conflict will ever end. The bottom line is, the UN (or allied forces) should have never let the Israelis establish their state there. The area wasn't theirs to give......but that's all water under the bridge now. So how do you make two peoples who have been waging a century old war stop? That's the million dollar question who's only answer at this point is to partition the country.............but good luck with that when neither side will budge an inch. I just wonder that in the process, will the Israelis become the same kind of monsters as the ones that drove them out of Europe in the first place?

Frankly, at this point, I don't care anymore as long as the US stays out of the whole mess.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:40 AM
 
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more arm chair warriors not caring how many innocent children are killed as long as "we win". how many of you have actually fought in a real war?
I have fought in a real war and I say there will be less future terrorists in the world.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I have fought in a real war and I say there will be less future terrorists in the world.
That makes me sick. It's funny, because the same people crying "ISRAEL DESTROY THEM YEAH!!!" are the ones who claim to be "pro-life".
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:50 AM
 
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If Hitler ordered a child place in every German bomber, would you say the English would have violated international law and morality for shooting at those bombers as they flew over London?

Just last week the UN Secretary General discussed how horrified he was that not only rockets were being kept in a school, but that they were also whisked away by Hamas before they could be confiscated.
i also noticed how many news (TV and some online) sources refused to publish or report this part of the story of the bomb attack on the UN school. Biased news sources supporting terrorist over our nation's allies
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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That makes me sick. It's funny, because the same people crying "ISRAEL DESTROY THEM YEAH!!!" are the ones who claim to be "pro-life".
Pro-life people defend the lives of the innocent. The people of Palestine indoctrinate their children from the moment they're born to die for Islam and glorify the deaths of those who die in the process of killing Jews. They aren't innocent. Japan of WW2 had a similar mentality. The people of Japan (not just the military) were fully willing to give their lives for their emperor and nation. It took not one, but two nuclear bombs to get them to surrender.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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It would be interesting to see what happens if Israel really just wiped Gaza off the map.

One thing is for sure, it would likely be suicide for their culture. I bet the only place Jews would be relatively safe is the United States, and even here they would be reviled. Without intervention, Israel would be summarily wiped of the map by their neighbors if Israel did something like carpet bombing Gaza.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Pro-life people defend the lives of the innocent. The people of Palestine indoctrinate their children from the moment they're born to die for Islam and glorify the deaths of those who die in the process of killing Jews. They aren't innocent. Japan of WW2 had a similar mentality. The people of Japan (not just the military) were fully willing to give their lives for their emperor and nation. It took not one, but two nuclear bombs to get them to surrender.
The Palestinian children have done nothing to Israel or to us. You're wrong, saying that they are all hell-bent on the destruction of Israel. Most of them just go on with their lives and don't even care that much about Israel. Don't use the actions of a few radicals in positions of power to paint them all has evil.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Without intervention, Israel would be summarily wiped of the map by their neighbors if Israel did something like carpet bombing Gaza.
First, Jews and Israelis are not synonymous.

Second, Israel would not carpet bomb Gaza. They are trying to minimize civilian casualties.

Third, if Israel were somehow threatened with annihilation, it's attackers would glow in the dark.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:04 AM
 
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The Palestinian children have done nothing to Israel or to us. You're wrong, saying that they are all hell-bent on the destruction of Israel. Most of them just go on with their lives and don't even care that much about Israel. Don't use the actions of a few radicals in positions of power to paint them all has evil.
Dude, even their children's shows promote suicide bombings and killing of Jews!
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