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Old 08-01-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Online K-12 schooling is NEVER going to be that widespread.
I know.

You have 12th graders doing all online classes taking college courses.
These are your AP type students. They've already met all requirements for graduation.

Guess what ? They cannot do these classes at home. They must come to school and sit in the computer lab all day. Why ? Because we have a state mandate of so many days that the students must be physically at school.
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Old 08-01-2014, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Well there are a few progressive schools doing it.
The training for it must start early (2-3rd grade).

Now think of all the support staff that wouldn't be needed anymore...
You wouldn't need all those specialists you have today at each school.

Schools could then serve as testing centers, remedial help centers, etc.

I've come to embrace online education because it opens up so much more to you then the limitations of having only the local CC/University.
I've done online tests. I've gone to the testing centers to take mid terms. It's pretty flexible too...3-5 days including evenings/weekends.
The problem is that K-12 education serves a secondary benefit of being the primary place where social skills are learned. It also serves as a quasi babysitter for working families. Parents know this, and they will not pull out of traditional schools at any significant rate. The best bet for online schools is as a supplement to traditional schools. We have a setup like this in Florida and it works well.
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Old 08-01-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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It isn't $2-$3/hour more.

The Wage Cost is one part of the Labor Cost.

The Labor Cost is all government Cost-push Inflating regulations, plus employee benefits. For the employer, that means FICA costs more, HI costs more, SUTA costs more, FUTA costs more, worker's comp costs more, general liability insurance costs more, etc etc etc.
Absolutely true.

Just this week, I had to complete some preliminary paperwork for an audit that our worker's comp & general liability provider is doing to ensure we're paying the correct rate. What they were most interested in - in fact, it's the only info they wanted other than verifying my identity as an officer of the company - was our payroll data.

Most of the other things you mentioned are various taxes that are assessed as a percentage of wages, and they naturally increase when someone gets a raise.

The screamers out there think that all business owners are rich and greedy, and we all want to exploit everyone we can, in any way we can, for nothing more than a few extra pennies. They have no idea how difficult it is to maintain a business, especially in this economy.
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Old 08-01-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The problem is that K-12 education serves a secondary benefit of being the primary place where social skills are learned. It also serves as a quasi babysitter for working families. Parents know this, and they will not pull out of traditional schools at any significant rate. The best bet for online schools is as a supplement to traditional schools. We have a setup like this in Florida and it works well.
And academics has taken a back seat which is why we're falling behind globally.
There are students that could attain so much more if we allowed it and it could free up seats and reduce class sizes to those students that need social education and babysitting services.

Teachers/administrators do fear losing their jobs and hence there isn't the great push.

I'm in the schools (MS and HS) and I see it and when I bring it up I get told the same thing.."It will never work".
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Old 08-01-2014, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Wow, O.K.
It's a pretty straight forward question.

When you go to a fast food place, do you see people with the dedicated task of dispensing/selling drinks? No. It's handled by the same people at the counter who handle all the other tasks. A soda fountain takes one task out of their hand, not a job.
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Old 08-01-2014, 10:03 AM
 
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It's a pretty straight forward question.

When you go to a fast food place, do you see people with the dedicated task of dispensing/selling drinks? No. It's handled by the same people at the counter who handle all the other tasks. A soda fountain takes one task out of their hand, not a job.
There is a reason they took them from behind the counter. It wasn't to make the employee's life easier.
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Old 08-01-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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I know.

You have 12th graders doing all online classes taking college courses.
These are your AP type students. They've already met all requirements for graduation.

Guess what ? They cannot do these classes at home. They must come to school and sit in the computer lab all day. Why ? Because we have a state mandate of so many days that the students must be physically at school.
Not here in Florida. AP classes can be taken online through Florida Virtual School. FLVS also has teachers and counselors.

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And academics has taken a back seat which is why we're falling behind globally.
No argument from me there.
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Old 08-01-2014, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Not here in Florida. AP classes can be taken online through Florida Virtual School. FLVS also has teachers and counselors.

No argument from me there.
I'm aware of FVS and they are way ahead of the pack and other states are now starting to get on that bandwagon.

I took a few online professional development classes (teacher education) from their site.
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Old 08-01-2014, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Yup. And then eventually the concept of a basic guaranteed income will come to the United States, much to the chagrin of the neo-cons.
And that will signal the beginning of the end of the country.

When the government "guarantees" that all of your basic needs will be met, what motivation do you have to do more?

And when the bulk of the country decides to just take the free ride while pursuing their inner artist or whatever, where is the money that's backing up this "guarantee" going to come from?

THIS is a great example of the problem with liberalism. Everything's a knee-jerk reaction to some perceived problem, without considering the long term ramifications of the action.
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Old 08-01-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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McDonalds charges $7.50 for a small coffee and an egg mcmuffin the size of a hockey puck that looks like it was made to be eaten by a dwarf, and tastes like a piece of plastic.

I will never understand why people like to eat there so much.
It can't be the prices. Or the taste of the food.
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