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Old 12-20-2007, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Oh, Brits..........check this out:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1909761.ece
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Old 12-21-2007, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Hardly a surprise, how do you think he got to be so rich ?

Nobody ever becomes that rich without exploiting people and using slave labour. It's not possible. Someone always has to pay the price of ambition and greed. To be so obscenely wealthy you have to exploit people. Pure and simple.

But then again most people see that as perfectly acceptable. After all they would claim it is just good entrepreneurship. To me it is immoral and indecent.
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Nobody ever becomes that rich without exploiting people and using slave labour. It's not possible.
I respectfully disagree.

Many become financially wealthy through hard work and dealing / treating fairly those they deal with. I never used "slave labor" - frankly I find your statement quite cynical and showing a total lack of knowledge in these areas

To be honest, your post smacks of jealousy - you are jealous of those who have financial means
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Old 12-21-2007, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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I respectfully disagree.

Many become financially wealthy through hard work and dealing / treating fairly those they deal with. I never used "slave labor" - frankly I find your statement quite cynical and showing a total lack of knowledge in these areas

To be honest, your post smacks of jealousy - you are jealous of those who have financial means

I was born to great wealth and turned my back on it so no , no jealousy at all , just first hand knowledge of that world.

I grew up surrounded by businessmen, Diplomats, and multi-millionaire financiers and I can't recall one who got there by sheer hard work and sheer probity.

My cynicism is not an un-informed one but it's funny that jealousy is always mentioned every time someone dares to question wealth. I grew up with servants and spent my childhood being groomed to become the perfect corporate/diplomat's wife. Couldn't wait to get away.

I'm glad I'm out of it. I met some very "nice" people but once you started to scratch the surface it was a different story.
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Old 12-21-2007, 09:05 AM
 
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Hardly a surprise, how do you think he got to be so rich ?

Nobody ever becomes that rich without exploiting people and using slave labour. It's not possible. Someone always has to pay the price of ambition and greed. To be so obscenely wealthy you have to exploit people. Pure and simple.

But then again most people see that as perfectly acceptable. After all they would claim it is just good entrepreneurship. To me it is immoral and indecent.
I didn't read the article (I have way of getting "hung up" on opening attachments)...but I'll comment on this, Moosketeer. I hear what you're saying, but I think that with our population of "flawed" human beings, having a few "obscenely wealthy" folks is about the best we can do. Yes, there are glaring inconsistencies, and yes, someday the truly exploitive rich will "answer for their sins". But in the meanwhile, I see little alternative. Systems which attempt to quash these greedy impulses simply devastate EVEYONE'S incentive. You can't "make" people be charitable. The best you can do is allow a sort of free-wheeling greed to drive the economy, keeping it in check with basic laws of decency, while hoping and ENCOURAGING them to exhibit some sort of charitable duty to the rest of us.

Bottom line is, allowing the "greedy guys" to do their thing ensures that they'll want to put people to work, and that at least some of them will want to give back to society. Attempting to stlfle their greed means NO ONE will be able to become wealthy, and, while this is fine in THEORY, its practical effect would be to "dampen" the entrepreneurial instincts of those "wheeler-dealers" who are the ones who give the rest of us jobs.....even if they're not all "nice" people. To me it appears to be the lesser of several evils. For every "obscenely wealthy" greedy, grasping, cold-blooded, unfeeling 'monster', there are many ALMOST obscenely wealthy people who contribute much to their fellow man---whether for reasons of conscience, or 'tax breaks', isn't the important issue. The fact is, the system works, at least to an extent.
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Old 12-21-2007, 09:05 AM
 
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I respectfully disagree.

Many become financially wealthy through hard work and dealing / treating fairly those they deal with. I never used "slave labor" - frankly I find your statement quite cynical and showing a total lack of knowledge in these areas

To be honest, your post smacks of jealousy - you are jealous of those who have financial means
I completely agree with you!
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Old 12-21-2007, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Believe it or not poor people are also highly corrupt. It's human nature. The worst thing that could be done is taking away the opportunity to become rich. Moose, I'm glad you don't live in the US, no offense, but your socialistic nature fits in quite well with Europe, and America will continue flourishing in a free market economy while Europe is slowly destroyed through neo-socialism.
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Old 12-21-2007, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Reading, UK
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Believe it or not poor people are also highly corrupt. It's human nature. The worst thing that could be done is taking away the opportunity to become rich. Moose, I'm glad you don't live in the US, no offense, but your socialistic nature fits in quite well with Europe, and America will continue flourishing in a free market economy while Europe is slowly destroyed through neo-socialism.

Socialism will be the death of Europe. While Europe will rot and decay thanks to dozens of nanny states, decades of socialism and jealousy, the US will reign supreme, with its free market economy, based on individual choice, in which anyone can make it.
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Old 12-21-2007, 12:58 PM
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Location: NEFL/Chi, IL
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I was born to great wealth and turned my back on it so no , no jealousy at all , just first hand knowledge of that world.

I grew up surrounded by businessmen, Diplomats, and multi-millionaire financiers and I can't recall one who got there by sheer hard work and sheer probity.

My cynicism is not an un-informed one but it's funny that jealousy is always mentioned every time someone dares to question wealth. I grew up with servants and spent my childhood being groomed to become the perfect corporate/diplomat's wife. Couldn't wait to get away.

I'm glad I'm out of it. I met some very "nice" people but once you started to scratch the surface it was a different story.
Really, your post is a classic example of the leftist mentality; that achievement and financial success is impossible without some sort of amoral action- that in order to get there, one must be an "insider" and that the little guy is always shut out. Most all leftism is based on this delusion.

It's completely, 100% WRONG.
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:13 PM
 
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Equating capitalism and "free enterprise" with greedy, exploitive "jerks" is like equating anti-illegal-immigrant advocates with racism; or like equating a career in police work with sadistic bullies.

Certainly bullies CAN be attracted to police work;----"jerks" CAN seek to make millions at others' expense---and racists are of course VERY interested in slowing down illegal immigration. But NONE of these positions is exclusive to these "bad guys"....Good and thoughful people can, and do, hold these positions as well....
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