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Old 08-03-2014, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Coordinates don't matter if rockets are being launched FROM them. You keep on forgetting Israel has 100's of drones flying over Gaza verifying launch site in Gaza. Missiles from Israel are not coming from the ground. They are shot from a plane in coordination with a drone. If Israel were deliberately targeting civilians then the death toll should be 16,000 and not 1600. Another thing to keep in mind is that all the buildings (including ceilings) are made from concrete so their body temperature is not going to register anything close to the heat generated by a rocket launch.
I have heard from neutral sources themselves (which you won't hear on the mainstream media), on the ground in Gaza, that there were no rockets fired from various locations, including doctors from hospitals and United Nations workers (who are from other countries) that there was no rocket fire from their locations where shells have killed the innocent. Also, the only known electrical plant has been bombed, and locations where children reside have been, and continue to be targeted. Also, ambulances have been prevented from reaching the scene of the wounded, and family members and aid workers trying to reach the injured have been killed by Israeli snipers.

Make no mistake, the real losers in this are Israel and its only ally in the world, the United States.

 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The us and the rest of the world give hamas and the pal authority billions a yr in aide. Where does that monet go? The palestinians owe israel millions in natural gas bills. Israel isnt cutting peoples gas off. Theres plenty of money if it was used right. Build business and infrastuctuce. Instead they buy missles and build tunnels. These tunnels are not dirt. They are reinforced cement tunnels. They are not cheap to build.

The palestinans priorities are wrong and until they change that nothing will improve for them. Their actions prove that the destruction of israel is more important to them then the lives of their kids.
Saying that a group of people imprisoned in an open air jail owes for utilities, is like saying the Jews owe the Germans for water they consumed in a concentration camp.
 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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What is more important to check out in the media realm is to see examples of what their youth are indoctrinated in. Motivating children to seek Shahada | PMW. Scan down the full page for samples of programs and articles and notice that many of them were aired on government run tv and other such sources. I consider this child abuse.
I consider the indiscriminate bombing which kills and maims Palestinian children, child abuse on a large scale.
 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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They don't want to improve their conditions. If they did, they would use their aid money to build their infrastructure and improve their conditions instead of using it to build terror tunnels and buy rockets. This would get in the way of their ultimate goal of taking over all of Israel. If the people get too comfortable, and God forbid, live in a prosperous country side by side with Israel, they will lose the will to fight. If they lose their will to fight, then the ultimate goal is lost.
Just where do you think Palestinians can go shopping for construction materials?
 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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What preceded the attack? Did the brave Hamas warriors shoot rockets from there, then loaded it with innocents and fled? Or did they just shoot the rockets among all the kids?

If there actually were rockets stored at the school, which I very much doubt, given that it is a UN controlled refugee center, and every single last over-crowded inch of it is being used to house refugees --- then why didn't the Israeli army make sure the school was cleared of children and civilians before destroying it? Answer that.

And this whole thing about warnings is garbage---obviously they are not providing adequate warnings, or their shelling and bombs are not accurate, or if they do offer haphazard warnings, there is nowhere safe for the people to flee, given that now all of Gaza is under military attack.

Instead Israel could just send in some ground troops and ensure that the refugee area/school is evacuated before bombing it. Would that be so difficult? The refugees are unarmed families, mostly the elderly, women and children---they are not terrorists. What Israel is doing, and the American people are buying into, is that just because Hamas is waging a resistance against Israel, that all of the civilians are. They are not. The Israeli army should concentrate on fighting the Hamas military, not helpless women and children.

The Geneva convention expressly prohibits a military from taking out retribution on civilians for the actions of its military, and that is exactly what Israel is doing. It is a war crime.
 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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Yet the facts on the ground do not allow for the usage of the word "intentional". During the Iraq war, how many civilian targets did the U.S. hit by mistake ~ too freak'n many to count!

Smart bombs/missiles just ain't as smart as you'd like to believe they have a problem indentifying white hats from black hats, even if you can convince either party to dress approprately.

Artillary fire from a few miles away needs an error of only one minute of a degree to put shells onto friendly rather than an enemy in any battle.

Your history is replete with friendly fire incidents yet somehow the benefit of the doubt is lacking when it comes to Israel.

Question: Why hasn't the U.N been actively seeking and forcing neighbouring Arab nations to allow for refugee bail-out of ALL innocent Palestinian children? Why is the U.N. assisting Palestinians to stay within a battle zone, given Israel's stated intent to keep flattening real estate until every tunnel is wiped out?

Is the U.N. thereby complicit in setting the stage for unavoidable civilian casualties?

Why does anyone give credence to what the U.N. says in this day and age, after decades of U.N. irrelevance and mismanagement?
 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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I consider the indiscriminate bombing which kills and maims Palestinian children, child abuse on a large scale.
Then from your humanitarian standpoint, you would also condemn ISIS who says they will sell the 200+ girls they kidnapped into the sex slave trade, murder Christians, execute their opposition, and militate the sexual organ of women, or does your humanities exempt any and all terrorist groups?
 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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I have heard from neutral sources themselves (which you won't hear on the mainstream media), on the ground in Gaza, that there were no rockets fired from various locations, including doctors from hospitals and United Nations workers (who are from other countries) that there was no rocket fire from their locations where shells have killed the innocent. Also, the only known electrical plant has been bombed, and locations where children reside have been, and continue to be targeted. Also, ambulances have been prevented from reaching the scene of the wounded, and family members and aid workers trying to reach the injured have been killed by Israeli snipers.

Make no mistake, the real losers in this are Israel and its only ally in the world, the United States.

The U.S. is not Israels only ally, get over yourself.

I have heard from neutral sources themselves (which you won't hear on the mainstream media), on the ground in Gaza, that there were rockets fired from various locations, including doctors from hospitals and United Nations workers (who are from other countries) that there was rocket fire from their locations where shells have killed the innocent. My sources are just as reliable as yours but with the removal of just those two little two letter words the whole complexion changes to suit any agenda.

Yep, the only known source of electricity generation was bombed out of service. Smart move to wipe out power for communications by your enemy; wouldn't you agree? Oh wait, were we supposed to be outraged ~ my bad.

There are children all over Gaza because Hamas won't let them leave, but hey it's only been two weeks of shelling and airstrikes, it probably takes longer than that for retarded criminals to get their chit together and see that all the children were removed.

Imagine snipers killing people trying to aid the wounded; that's just never happened before in any war I've ever heard of. Why do you think military ammo is jacketed?
 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:46 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Just where do you think Palestinians can go shopping for construction materials?
I don't know, maybe they can buy them from the guys who sold them the construction material for the terror tunnels.
 
Old 08-03-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Then from your humanitarian standpoint, you would also condemn ISIS who says they will sell the 200+ girls they kidnapped into the sex slave trade, murder Christians, execute their opposition, and militate the sexual organ of women, or does your humanities exempt any and all terrorist groups?
You're mixing your terrorist groups, but yes, every human ought to condemn both them and the Israelis. You seem to be resorting to an argument that few would agree with - two wrongs make a right. Using the atrocities of one group to justify the atrocities of an entire government is pushing even that beyond the bounds of reason.
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