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The President of the united states has had enough leadership to preside over what is now the 5th longest economic expansion in the last 130 years
But as the other poster said, there is no answer that will actually satisfy you. You wouldnt have started this thread if there was.
First and foremost, I started this thread to find out what liberals think this President has done in terms of good strong leadership. You mention economic expansion. Now tell us what you think the President did, in leadership terms, to be able to take credit for the expansion. Not just the fact that he's the President, tell us specifically what leadership he exerted on the economy.
Aside from a pretty impressive economic expansion... nothing. And really, the economy shouldn't even be in the presidents lists of things to do. The people are supposed to handle that, not the government. The answer should actually be nothing.
However, what's the point of not including Obamacare? I get the Bin Laden thing; that had nothing to do with Obama and was the result of at least a decade of military intelligence, but Obamacare? You can't say "not including this, what has he done?" Be all inclusive or don't bring it up. Obamacare is still something he pushed for, rather you agree with it or not.
Ok, fair game. Let's include Obamacare. What leadership did/has Barack Obama exerted in getting Obamacare passed? I'm happy to have this discussion, as long as you're able to back up any and all leadership claims you make. Him simply signing the bill means nothing.
Ok, fair game. Let's include Obamacare. What leadership did/has Barack Obama exerted in getting Obamacare passed? I'm happy to have this discussion, as long as you're able to back up any and all leadership claims you make. Him simply signing the bill means nothing.
Sound fair to you?
That's ridiculous. It was his baby, he's the one that negotiated much of the details with the insurance companies. The fact that it doesn't have a public option is entirely his doing. There would be no Obamacare without Obama, that is a certainty.
he has kept us out of getting into a war in the ukraine,syria,iran,and egypt especially considering how many were calling for continuing our pursuit of bringing freedom and democracy to everyone. Especially since the last administration did such a bang up job of bringing democracy to iraq and afghanistan. Because iraq is obviously so much better off than what they originally were aren't they ?
You're basically trying to prove a negative here. In order to "prevent" us from going to war, you would have to prove that his leadership prevailed over another. Congress cannot get us into war. Barack Obama is the only person who can do that. Basically, you're saying that he exerted leadership against himself? That's not really an exercise in leadership. It's more of you agreeing with his decision.
That's ridiculous. It was his baby, he's the one that negotiated much of the details with the insurance companies. The fact that it doesn't have a public option is entirely his doing. There would be no Obamacare without Obama, that is a certainty.
Uh, no. Pure bunk revisionist history. He was hands off during negotiations. He let Democrats in both chambers sort through the different iterations. Short memory, or you really just don't know?
His presidency was doomed from day 1. Who didn't know that We will get a new president soon. I suggest we vote to get rid of all members of congress and the senate as well. Let's just start over.
How was it doomed from Day 1? He had a Democratic majority in both chambers for the first 2 years of his Presidency.
Uh, no. Pure bunk revisionist history. He was hands off during negotiations. Short memory, or you really just don't know?
No, I actually do know. This was his baby. Completely. He dropped the public option in order to get the insurance companies on board (the administration negotiated this the summer before it was introduced) and then he threw the Republicans under the bus by blaming them for losing the public option (credit which they enjoyed taking even though they absolutely did not earn it) even though he had actually already negotiated it away. Quit listening to both parties' propaganda. This was Obama's landmark domestic legislation, he put all kinds of other things on the back-burner just to get this passed and made sure every trick in the book was used to get it passed.
No, I actually do know. This was his baby. Completely. He dropped the public option in order to get the insurance companies on board (the administration negotiated this the summer before it was introduced) and then he threw the Republicans under the bus by blaming them for losing the public option (credit which they enjoyed taking even though they absolutely did not earn it) even though he had actually already negotiated it away. Quit listening to both parties' propaganda. This was Obama's landmark domestic legislation, he put all kinds of other things on the back-burner just to get this passed and made sure every trick in the book was used to get it passed.
You give the President way too much credit. Yes, the President agreed to the dropping of the public option, but that wasn't leadership. That was agreeing to drop the public option.
I want to know what the President did, in terms of leadership, to pass Obamacare. We all know he certainly did not lobby Republicans for their votes. So what exactly did he do?
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We will get a new president soon. I suggest we vote to get rid of all members of congress and the senate as well. Let's just start over.
