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Old 08-04-2014, 09:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981 View Post
No what?!

You might want to check out this article

The Welfare State: The Root of Europe’s Problems

The Welfare State: The Root of Europe


the welfare state will also be subject to external pressures. International competition will make a welfare state economy less competitive because the high tax rates in the will stifle economic growth.

Welfare is great, as long as you can afford it Plain and simple.
No, you are fundamentally missing the point. A government with the legal authority to issue its own currency is not bound by the limits of taxation. The "welfare state" is irrelevant. It is only bound by its full faith and credit, which is a product of its political stability and willingness to contain hyperinflation. Considering global demographics in the developed markets, even regular inflation is hard to achieve. Europe's problems will go away tomorrow if the countries revert back to sovereignty as opposed to taking a number in line with the ECU for bailouts.

A right wing blog is not a source. Emerging markets are more competitive because they are less developed. As more burdens are placed on their blossoming governments, higher taxes will follow. These things are cyclical.
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Old 08-04-2014, 09:33 PM
 
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Americas liberals and conservatives are lost and separated.

What conservatives don't understand is that most liberals want to live in a conservative country, like Switzerland. Switzerland has small government, low corporate tax rates, public gun ranges, a citizen militia, no welfare freeloaders, ex.ex. And Switzerland beats America in everything from economy to poverty levels.

But conservatives in Switzerland listen to liberals desires. They make sure workers have high wages, they give everyone healthcare, there is very little poverty, very little pollution, ex.ex. And they do this with conservative policies.

America's conservatives need to listen to liberals desires of respecting the poor, respecting workers, and respecting the environment, (and then fix our country.)

Its not about democrat or republican, rather its about America. And I wish real liberals, moderates, and real conservatives would come together in some way, and stop all this ignore the facts and do nothing stupidity, and then focus on fixing our country.

Perhaps the only thing we could all agree on is that America is going downhill and getting worse.

Chad.
History is what it is. America goes downhill under conservative leadership. The numbers are there for everyone to see.
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Old 08-04-2014, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Americas liberals and conservatives are lost and separated.

What conservatives don't understand is that most liberals want to live in a conservative country, like Switzerland. Switzerland has small government, low corporate tax rates, public gun ranges, a citizen militia, no welfare freeloaders, ex.ex. And Switzerland beats America in everything from economy to poverty levels.

But conservatives in Switzerland listen to liberals desires. They make sure workers have high wages, they give everyone healthcare, there is very little poverty, very little pollution, ex.ex. And they do this with conservative policies.

America's conservatives need to listen to liberals desires of respecting the poor, respecting workers, and respecting the environment, (and then fix our country.)

Its not about democrat or republican, rather its about America. And I wish real liberals, moderates, and real conservatives would come together in some way, and stop all this ignore the facts and do nothing stupidity, and then focus on fixing our country.

Perhaps the only thing we could all agree on is that America is going downhill and getting worse.

Chad.
Funny how much immigration does the nation of Switzerland have?

They can only be so "liberal" because they have not imported a under class of dependents who will suck the nation dry while electing any one who steals from the tax payers in order to get elected..

Well make the case on why ideals, ideas, views, values, and systems that are right and proven to be successful be forced tor compromise and work with ideals, ideas, views, values, and systems that are wrong and proven failures?

Yes it is a problem, one that will be solved when the time is ready.

When you compromise with failure, you create more failure.
When you compromise with corruption, you create more corruption.
When you compromise with injustice, you create more injustice.
When you compromise with cronyism, you create more cronyism.
When you compromise with criminality, you create more criminality.
When you compromise with moral relativism, you create more moral relativism.
When you compromise with give up freedom you give up more freedom.
When you compromise with National Sovereignty, you give up more National Sovereignty.
When you compromise with bad ideas, you get more bad ideas.
When you compromise with evil, you get more evil.
When you compromise with tyranny, you get more tyranny.

When is compromising with a bad idea anything less then a really, really, really bad idea?

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Old 08-04-2014, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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History is what it is. America goes downhill under conservative leadership. The numbers are there for everyone to see.
Really?

So Why were the Reagan Years a time of massive growth?
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Old 08-04-2014, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Wandering in the Dothraki sea
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I pretend to have social anxiety and ADD so I can get adderall and get payed to stay home. Republicans wouldn't let me do this.
Interesting, I actually do have adult-onset ADD and haven't ever had anyone offer to pay me to stay home. I guess because what you're talking about is total nonsense.
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Old 08-04-2014, 09:54 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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History is what it is. America goes downhill under conservative leadership. The numbers are there for everyone to see.
Its not conservative leadership, its corporate backed puppets calling themselves republicans.

G(H)W Bush was a conservative. He called the "supply side tax cuts" that destroyed our country "voodoo economics." He passed deficit reduction laws that helped create Clinton's balanced budget. And he decided (not) to remove Saddam Hussein from power because he knew how many US soldiers would be killed.

We don't have conservative leadership, rather we have undercover corporate workers only looking for tax cuts like these.

Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

Romney's Economic Plan Includes $6.6 Trillion Tax Cut For The Rich And Corporations | ThinkProgress

Rand Paul's fix for Detroit: lower taxes for the rich, more pollution & lower wages for the poor

Sorry if I was rude,
Chad.
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Old 08-04-2014, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Its not conservative leadership, its corporate backed puppets calling themselves republicans.

G(H)W Bush was a conservative. He called the "supply side tax cuts" that destroyed our country "voodoo economics." He passed deficit reduction laws that helped create Clinton's balanced budget. And he decided (not) to remove Saddam Hussein from power because he knew how many US soldiers would be killed.

We don't have conservative leadership, rather we have undercover corporate workers only looking for tax cuts like these.

Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

Romney's Economic Plan Includes $6.6 Trillion Tax Cut For The Rich And Corporations | ThinkProgress

Rand Paul's fix for Detroit: lower taxes for the rich, more pollution & lower wages for the poor


Sorry if I was rude,
Chad.
Baseless claims but hey keep being the agent of the statist..

But you are dead right about the Neo Cons..
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Old 08-04-2014, 10:28 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Funny how much immigration does the nation of Switzerland have?

They can only be so "liberal" because they have not imported a under class of dependents who will suck the nation dry while electing any one who steals from the tax payers in order to get elected..

Well make the case on why ideals, ideas, views, values, and systems that are right and proven to be successful be forced tor compromise and work with ideals, ideas, views, values, and systems that are wrong and proven failures?

Yes it is a problem, one that will be solved when the time is ready.

When you compromise with failure, you create more failure.
When you compromise with corruption, you create more corruption.
When you compromise with injustice, you create more injustice.
When you compromise with cronyism, you create more cronyism.
When you compromise with criminality, you create more criminality.
When you compromise with moral relativism, you create more moral relativism.
When you compromise with give up freedom you give up more freedom.
When you compromise with National Sovereignty, you give up more National Sovereignty.
When you compromise with bad ideas, you get more bad ideas.
When you compromise with evil, you get more evil.
When you compromise with tyranny, you get more tyranny.

When is compromising with a bad idea anything less then a really, really, really bad idea?
Switzerland has a big immigration problem, and they passed a law to end immigration that was so harsh, that it violates EU treaties.
http://www.newsweek.com/switzerland-...igrants-232430
Swiss agree to curb immigration and rethink EU deal - SWI swissinfo.ch

The "conservative" Swiss don't play. For example if GW Bush ever steps on Swiss soil they will arrest him and put him in jail.
George W. Bush cancels Switzerland visit over fears of arrest on torture charges | Mail Online


And when will conservatives fix Americas problems?

We have a welfare system that is out of control, did GW Bush fix our welfare system? No
When was the last time conservatives in this forum had an intelligent conversation on how to fix our welfare system? I never saw one.

We have huge deficits and high national debt. When was the last time conservatives had an intelligent conversation on how to lower our deficits and national debt? I never saw one.

Obamacare that was copied after governor Mitt Romney's healthcare law has many problems. When was the last time conservatives had a conversation to help those hurt by Obamacare? I never saw one.


Most conservatives don't do a damn thing except attack Obama, attack Obamcare, attack welfare recipients, and attack South Americans (but they never offer ideas on how to fix the problems.)

The only solution conservatives offer is to elect republicans. But republicans like GW Bush don't fix problems like welfare, rather they just give the rich tax cuts.
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis
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Old 08-04-2014, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Switzerland has a big immigration problem, and they passed a law to end immigration that was so harsh, that it violates EU treaties.
http://www.newsweek.com/switzerland-...igrants-232430
Swiss agree to curb immigration and rethink EU deal - SWI swissinfo.ch
Yeah Its really Their nation and this law is very sound and will lead the people of Switzerland to greater culture and national security and a more prosperous economy.


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The "conservative" Swiss don't play. For example if GW Bush ever steps on Swiss soil they will arrest him and put him in jail.
George W. Bush cancels Switzerland visit over fears of arrest on torture charges | Mail Online

Good luck tying to hold to hold him...Then again why would you ever visit a nation that might arrest you.

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And when will conservatives fix Americas problems?
Don`t worry, we are already hard at work, you claims of "racism" and "class and gender warfare: are now falling upon deaf ears as the should be.

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We have a welfare system that is out of control, did GW Bush fix our welfare system? No
When was the last time conservatives in this forum had an intelligent conversation on how to fix our welfare system? I never saw one.
Hey Bush was a Neo Con he never should any interest in it.

Any time we do have ideas you call them "heartless' "uncaring" and "wanting to throw grandma off cliff" an other such lies.

Hell look at you people ripe`d apart Paul Ryan for bring forth any idea to help the inner cities of America.

Any time we try and cut regulations and cut taxes and create a pro growth environment you people claim" You are only helping the rich" or " You are not helping insert name of group here enough" ect.

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We have huge deficits and high national debt. When was the last time conservatives had an intelligent conversation on how to lower our deficits and national debt? I never saw one.
Hey we are staying out the Syrian and Iraqi conflicts are of now aren't we?

Hey which side is fighting to return the current influx of illegals that would only cost us $10,000,000 to fly back instead of $1,000,000,000 to take care of?

Hey who is on the side of securing the border and ending the never ending wave of poverty, crime, and dependence into this nation?

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Obamacare that was copied after governor Mitt Romney's healthcare law has many problems. When was the last time conservatives had a conversation to help those hurt by Obamacare? I never saw one.
Yeah and Romney care has some many issues with it now, even more now then when it was created.

We have many ideas, including limiting malpractice suits which are a major source of cost in the medical industry.

And many other ideas with are far better then this epic fail of a law.

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Most conservatives don't do a damn thing except attack Obama, attack Obamcare, attack welfare recipients, and attack South Americans (but they never offer ideas on how to fix the problems.)


Really? So laying out facts, stats, and using basic reason is "attacking"...Wow.

We are not attacking "South Americans" we are enforcing the rule of law and trying securing our border to prevent the poverty, crime, and problems of the 3rd world from rotting this nation.

We can do that by doing a few basic things.

Build a fence from Brownsville to San Diego. Triple Layered.
End Birthright Citizenship for illegals.
End all federal funds to "Sanctuary Cities"
Mandate E-Verify for all Businesses and any business found to hire illegals will pay steep fines.
End all Benefits to illegals.


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The only solution conservatives offer is to elect republicans. But republicans like GW Bush don't fix problems like welfare, rather they just give the rich tax cuts.
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis
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Well we want to elect real Conservatives, Constitutionalist, and Libertarians. NOT NEO CONS LIKE G.W BUSH.

If you cant not understand the vast difference between "Conservatives, Constitutionalist, and Libertarians from Neo Con Statist I really dont think you have anything to bring to the table.

But hey I guess Leftist and their ideals have so much more to offer us..I mean I guess that is why after 6 years America is far better then it was before the boy king took office.

That is why our borders are secure.

That is why inflation is nonexistent.

That is why the economy is booming.

That is why school vouchers are nothing being fought.

That is why the ATF did not let guns walk into Mexico and blame gun owners.

That is why NASA is fully funded and taking us back to the Moon.

That is why the average American feels more hopefully of the future and direction of our country.

Boy thank God your side is so great and fixing thing and never making them worse. Soon we wont have to vacation in a corrupt, hopeless, over coward, poverty stricken, crime ridden, diseased South American county we will be living in one.
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:39 PM
 
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ROTFLMAO!
Hilarious coming from the side of the issues that would control everything people do, from with whom and how one can have sex, to smoking pot, determining whether or not a woman should have a baby to the police being able to stop people without cause other than they have brown skin. Sorry Cons, the young for the most part are smart enough to know who allows them more freedoms and which are the side that loves rules governing other peoples behavior.


Whether or not a woman should kill a baby.
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