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It's not about being sick, it's about being infected.
During the incubation phase (2-21 days) there may be no symptoms whatsoever, not even an elevated temperature, but the patient is infected with Ebola. When patients are symptomatic, yes they'll be running a high fever, but before then, they may be running a marginally elevated temperature which would not trip the sensor, but they may not be running any fever at all. However the vast majority of people infected, incubating and asymptomatic will develop symptomatic Ebola, and will be contagious at minimum during the symptomatic and convalescence stages, where would these undetected by IR scan incubators be when they become symptomatic?
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Originally Posted by Gungnir
Zaire ebolavirus has been detected by RT-PCR in semen 91 days post infection (and in convalescence), and Sudan ebolavirus has been cultured from semen 40 days post infection and in convalescence (which runs counter to the CDC statements). Those studies were only able to culture from saliva during the acute phase, breast milk both acute and convalescent, and the aforementioned. However various body fluids did test positive with RT-PCR for the virus (whether it's infectious or not given the lack of cultures generated is debatable), but 40 days post infection is still past symptomatic. Fact is that even experts don't really know how infectious it is and what precise vectors it uses, sure we know it's transmitted by body fluids, but not specifically which fluids, suprisingly nasal blood from an acute patient couldn't be cultured. Since medical professionals seem especially susceptible knowing the current state of the art for Ebola, I'm betting that there's more to it's transmission than we know.
Now not to put too fine a point on it, people use bathrooms for all kinds of purposes, and just getting over a life threatening virus might make someone want to experience the mile high club with or without company, beating one out from the spank tank or partaking of some company in the bathroom at 30,000 feet might not leave that person (or persons) with sufficient time to be entirely hygenic, now it's not feces being transmitted by hand contact, but something entirely different.
Just sayin'...
Won't work, you could be incubating and not yet have a raised body temperature enough to trigger an alarm, other people may have a natural body temperature that will trigger the alarm, human body temps are a range, not a specific value. 97.7 - 99.5 F, someone with a naturally low body temp (97.7) could be running nearly 2 degrees of fever without tripping any sensor. Unless you know someone's baseline body temperature it's too coarse a filter to have any great benefit except those probably already presenting symptoms.
The time to panic is now! We need to quarantine New York and declare marshal law. Its every man for himself.
The time to panic was March. But because our worthless president was in Hawaii or somewhere on a fundraiser instead of minding the shop, it is now time to bend over and kiss your butt goodbye.
The time to panic was March. But because our worthless president was in Hawaii or somewhere on a fundraiser instead of minding the shop, it is now time to bend over and kiss your butt goodbye.
I'll be fine. I cant say the same for those who are unprepared, without health insurance and have not repented. Too many did not heed Obama's warnings.
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Zaire ebolavirus has been detected by RT-PCR in semen 91 days post infection (and in convalescence), and Sudan ebolavirus has been cultured from semen 40 days post infection and in convalescence (which runs counter to the CDC statements). Those studies were only able to culture from saliva during the acute phase, breast milk both acute and convalescent, and the aforementioned. However various body fluids did test positive with RT-PCR for the virus (whether it's infectious or not given the lack of cultures generated is debatable), but 40 days post infection is still past symptomatic. Fact is that even experts don't really know how infectious it is and what precise vectors it uses, sure we know it's transmitted by body fluids, but not specifically which fluids, suprisingly nasal blood from an acute patient couldn't be cultured. Since medical professionals seem especially susceptible knowing the current state of the art for Ebola, I'm betting that there's more to it's transmission than we know.
Now not to put too fine a point on it, people use bathrooms for all kinds of purposes, and just getting over a life threatening virus might make someone want to experience the mile high club with or without company, beating one out from the spank tank or partaking of some company in the bathroom at 30,000 feet might not leave that person (or persons) with sufficient time to be entirely hygenic, now it's not feces being transmitted by hand contact, but something entirely different.
Just sayin'...
Won't work, you could be incubating and not yet have a raised body temperature enough to trigger an alarm, other people may have a natural body temperature that will trigger the alarm, human body temps are a range, not a specific value. 97.7 - 99.5 F, someone with a naturally low body temp (97.7) could be running nearly 2 degrees of fever without tripping any sensor. Unless you know someone's baseline body temperature it's too coarse a filter to have any great benefit except those probably already presenting symptoms.
Great post. I remember reading about Ebola in both the Hot Zone and The Coming Plague. Ebola Zaire has the highest mortality rate of all of the strains, which is the one that is hitting Africa right now. All of the outbreaks so far have been in isolated areas of Africa, except the most recent outbreak. Because the outbreaks have been so isolated and sporadic, I don't think that there is enough data on exactly how Ebola spreads to be comforted by the idea that "it's not spread around easily." That may be true, but I don't think we know exactly what that means, or at least we can't be sure. I agreed that we should take care of the two infected Americans because we can isolate them and treat them, but allowing free travel to Africa at this point, I think, is just reckless. We should end incoming flights directly from Africa, for now, as well as anyone coming in from another country who has been to Africa in the past 21 days or so.
Great post. I remember reading about Ebola in both the Hot Zone and The Coming Plague. Ebola Zaire has the highest mortality rate of all of the strains, which is the one that is hitting Africa right now. All of the outbreaks so far have been in isolated areas of Africa, except the most recent outbreak. Because the outbreaks have been so isolated and sporadic, I don't think that there is enough data on exactly how Ebola spreads to be comforted by the idea that "it's not spread around easily." That may be true, but I don't think we know exactly what that means, or at least we can't be sure. I agreed that we should take care of the two infected Americans because we can isolate them and treat them, but allowing free travel to Africa at this point, I think, is just reckless. We should end incoming flights directly from Africa, for now, as well as anyone coming in from another country who has been to Africa in the past 21 days or so.
It looks like we'll get to see how it spreads in non isolated, rural areas. Two cases of Ebola have been confirmed in Lagos.
It's not about being sick, it's about being infected.
During the incubation phase (2-21 days) there may be no symptoms whatsoever, not even an elevated temperature, but the patient is infected with Ebola. When patients are symptomatic, yes they'll be running a high fever, but before then, they may be running a marginally elevated temperature which would not trip the sensor, but they may not be running any fever at all. However the vast majority of people infected, incubating and asymptomatic will develop symptomatic Ebola, and will be contagious at minimum during the symptomatic and convalescence stages, where would these undetected by IR scan incubators be when they become symptomatic?
Well, we already have a hemorrhagic fever that uses blood, tissue, secretions, or excretions as its vector - one that has an incubation time of 1-3 weeks, and one that - unlike Ebola - doesn't always kill the host organism, although it's mortality rate is 20% or so in people who are actually hospitalized: Lassa fever.
It's permanently present in Africa, killing an estimated five thousand people per year, out of a pool of 100,000 - 300,000 individuals. If the doomsday prophesies are close to to true, Lassa fever should run rampant through the US if one infected individual were to enter the country. It is way more effective as regards infecting people. Only -well, it doesn't.
There are cases, sure. But the epidemics? - they fizzle. The US is not a friendly place for viruses.
Well, we already have a hemorrhagic fever that uses blood, tissue, secretions, or excretions as its vector - one that has an incubation time of 1-3 weeks, and one that - unlike Ebola - doesn't always kill the host organism, although it's mortality rate is 20% or so in people who are actually hospitalized: Lassa fever.
It's permanently present in Africa, killing an estimated five thousand people per year, out of a pool of 100,000 - 300,000 individuals. If the doomsday prophesies are close to to true, Lassa fever should run rampant through the US if one infected individual were to enter the country. It is way more effective as regards infecting people. Only -well, it doesn't.
There are cases, sure. But the epidemics? - they fizzle. The US is not a friendly place for viruses.
Lassa fever kills about 16 percent of it's victims - and that's in West Africa, where treatment options are abysmal. The treatment for Lassa fever is ribavirin and it's very effective if given early in the course of the disease. Also, quality supportive care (mostly fluids and antibiotics to treat secondary infections) greatly increases the odds of surviving - odds that are already SIGNIFICANTLY higher than those of Ebola.
This is why Ebola grabs peoples' attention and strikes such fear - it's so very deadly percentage wise. It liquifies your body from the inside out - and we have nothing that can stop that process. All we can do is hope for a less severe form of the disease and keep pumping fluids into the victims.
Lassa fever has an effective treatment available to lower the already lower risk. Ebola does not.
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