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View Poll Results: Should we stop sending people/aid to Ebola infected nations?
Yes 92 42.59%
No 95 43.98%
Other 17 7.87%
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Old 10-09-2014, 09:43 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Exactly, its damned near impossible. Ebola "outbreaks" in the United States are not likely.

Are you going to go and help someone puking with a fever in the street? I sure as hell am not, I may call a doctor, or an ambulance for them, otherwise, I'm getting the hell away from them. Make sure you wash your hands regularly, make sure when you open doors and go up stairs, you wash your hands after. You'll be fine.

Africa has an issue because their healthcare system is third world, and most of the money we are spending on fighting the African outbreak focuses on building medical facilities and training people how to treat others who show symptoms, the right way.

They called an ambulance for the pregnant woman who helped the Dallas guy first. The ambulance couldn't come, then they called a taxi. That isn't happening here in the states folks.

Think of the people freaking out on a plane as someone gets air/motion sickness and vomits.

 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:44 AM
 
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So you're saying that we should do nothing at all?

There needs to be SOME plan in effect to restrict travel until the outbreak is over. I don't know what the answer is, but there has to be something a lot better than what we're doing (or not doing, as the case may be) now.
I think we've done pretty well, actually.

This was the most serious outbreak of Ebola in history, infecting thousands of people, affecting a major urban center where people could access global travel. And one infected American traveled to Nigeria, transporting the virus across an international border, who was sick on the plane (how many of those plane passengers came down with Ebola----oh, right, none) and subsequently died in Nigeria, but not before spreading his virus to Nigerians. One infected Liberian traveled to the United States, who wasn't sick at the time that he traveled, again transporting the virus across international borders, and subsequently died in the United States. We don't know yet if he infected anyone in the United States, and we are learning from our mistakes how to contain the viral threat. That's two (2) travelers. Just two. Every other person transported with this virus across international borders was known to have Ebola, and the transport was designed to contain the infected person and assure the pilots and personnel didn't get Ebola, and none of those pilots or personnel have come down with Ebola. The Americans we've treated in the United States got the treatment promptly, and the treatment worked. Hopefully, it will continue to do so.

The affected region has imposed policies to screen individuals before flying. Because of Ebola's long incubation period, it's possible that someone might slip through. So the WHO and the CDC have notified hospitals around the world about questions to ask of incoming patients, symptoms to look for, protocols to follow. Yes, human error is a concern. But panic and overreaction pose more of a threat than rationally approaching this health issue, and calmly and reasonably designing effective protocols and putting those protocols into place.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I think we've done pretty well, actually.

This was the most serious outbreak of Ebola in history, infecting thousands of people, affecting a major urban center where people could access global travel. And one infected American traveled to Nigeria, transporting the virus across an international border, who was sick on the plane (how many of those plane passengers came down with Ebola----oh, right, none) and subsequently died in Nigeria, but not before spreading his virus to Nigerians. One infected Liberian traveled to the United States, who wasn't sick at the time that he traveled, again transporting the virus across international borders, and subsequently died in the United States. We don't know yet if he infected anyone in the United States, and we are learning from our mistakes how to contain the viral threat. That's two (2) travelers. Just two. Every other person transported with this virus across international borders was known to have Ebola, and the transport was designed to contain the infected person and assure the pilots and personnel didn't get Ebola, and none of those pilots or personnel have come down with Ebola. The Americans we've treated in the United States got the treatment promptly, and the treatment worked. Hopefully, it will continue to do so.

The affected region has imposed policies to screen individuals before flying. Because of Ebola's long incubation period, it's possible that someone might slip through. So the WHO and the CDC have notified hospitals around the world about questions to ask of incoming patients, symptoms to look for, protocols to follow. Yes, human error is a concern. But panic and overreaction pose more of a threat than rationally approaching this health issue, and calmly and reasonably designing effective protocols and putting those protocols into place.
It's not over by a long shot. This IS the most serious outbreak ever and the first time Ebola has left Africa.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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I don't blame the airport workers striking. It's not worth putting their lives at risk because it seems a lot easier to get than what they originally stated. You have a 50/50 chance of dying and there is no more serum atm. Has anyone looked at the symptoms of Ebola? It's ugly and moves quickly through your entire system.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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I don't blame the airport workers striking. It's not worth putting their lives at risk because it seems a lot easier to get than what they originally stated. You have a 50/50 chance of dying and there is no more serum atm. Has anyone looked at the symptoms of Ebola? It's ugly and moves quickly through your entire system.
Life on the line? I'd image the odds of getting Ebola from cleaning a plane in the US is around 0.00000000000%
 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If they say the tests results can take a couple of hours up to a couple of days, why are all those people who came into contact with Duncan still in isolation? Hasn't it been long enough to get the test results?

The Spanish woman supposedly could have contracted ebola while removing her protective suit. Unless her suit was covered in fluids from ebola patients, it would seem to indicate it could be airborne. She says she took proper precautions and who wouldn't? There was so much mishandling in her case.

The media wants us to fall for their story that if we halt air travel it will make matters worse. That is bologna. If they want to send aid workers, go ahead.

The new "screening" of West African travelers is one of the silliest lies. These folks wanting to leave Africa are not going to be honest on a questionnaire and if they have just started running a slight fever, pop some ibuprofen before the trip and they will pass with flying colors.

What else doesn't add up to you?
I wonder if Ebola is actually an Airborne disease.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why should the family of someone who (lied about) and brought their disease infested body to the US be able to sue when most likely he would've died elsewhere? Should the family pay his medical bills? How about those people he came in contact to who later get sick, who's responsible for their care?

This has nothing to do with race or treatment, it's just another shakedown.
Again, more recent information about the timeline of events seems to show than Duncan had no way of knowing the pregnant girl who collapsed had Ebola. The cause of death was not known when he departed Liberia/ arrived in the US.

In otherwords, the timeline does not seem to support the initial Liberian government reaction that Duncan lied. Was that a mistake or shall we make it political and take it to the worst moral case and call it a lie?
 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Again, more recent information about the timeline of events seems to show than Duncan had no way of knowing the pregnant girl who collapsed had Ebola. The cause of death was not known when he departed Liberia/ arrived in the US.

In otherwords, the timeline does not seem to support the initial Liberian government reaction that Duncan lied. Was that a mistake or shall we make it political and take it to the worst moral case and call it a lie?
Duncan did lie though as the Liberian questionnaire just asked if he was in contact with anyone that was sick.
That questionnaire has been posted on the net from that African site (which I can't find now).
 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:53 AM
 
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Life on the line? I'd image the odds of getting Ebola from cleaning a plane in the US is around 0.00000000000%
Imagination and reality are two different things. We haven't gotten all the facts in yet, but so far we have been lied to from the get go so the fact is we can't trust what we're told. We were told it would never enter America, we were told if it did, no one would die.

One man, who merely entered the apartment of now deceased patient zero, came down with symptoms within days and his family is now quarantined.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:54 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It's hard to say without more facts. But if me Duncan had been more truthful on his customs form he could have been monitored and treated sooner.
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