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Old 08-12-2014, 10:14 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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A right wing slant.... anything with a moderate view point? Perhaps you just linked an editorial.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:15 PM
 
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We kind of feel that way about you and yours.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:16 PM
 
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Like I said, you can redefine "lie" all you want..... But you'd have to prove Obama knew there was zero chance people could keep them same plans and said otherwise. So yes, "over promise".

I grew up being pragmatic and continue till this due. I would rather them keep delaying and working out the issues then to rush things. I'm not like your ilk who are partisan and closed minded.
Good, can I KEEP my insurance like Obama PROMISED until the KINKS are worked out? Or do us paying the bill have to pay for birth control and child care that we don't need.

Pretty bad when even gays are forced to pay for birth control.
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Old 08-13-2014, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Don't forget his ongoing 'war against specialists' either; his immortal 'There comes a time in your life when you've made enough money' was certainly aimed at them as well as other professionals whom in HIS opinion make too much money, although that conveniently excludes rap stars and athletes.
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Old 08-13-2014, 01:06 AM
 
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If supporters of Obamacare believe that this law is so desirable or compassionate, they must ask themselves why the President keeps pushing the implementation of key provisions beyond Election Days.
With most sweeping laws, including other key laws in healthcare itself, it's not uncommon for certain provisions to be delayed to help the business and community and marketplace deal with the changes. That has nothing to do with supporting or not supporting the law. You could look at changes in billing and coding as an example. Just try on the partisan troll though.
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Old 08-13-2014, 01:37 AM
 
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So lying and not being able to be a dictator and push laws through are the same thing?

If you want to criticize Obama for over promising aspects of ACA then by all means. Don't redefine words in order to suit your agenda.
It was the "Lie of the year."

The law was ALREADY passed and Obama had known since at least 2010 that not all people could not keep their plan and doctor, period.

His campaign staff literally DEBATED WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD TELL THE TRUTH. The decided votes > truth.

And here you are...making excuses for lying to the American public for votes. Thanks for being part of the problem. I am sure Obama's staff had people like you in mind when they made the decision to lie..."we have so many mindless sheep that will excuse this lie anyway. They will probably claim that he simply over promised, ha!"
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Old 08-13-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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So lying and not being able to be a dictator and push laws through are the same thing?
Don't change the subject....was it a lie or not? Pretty simple....




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If you want to criticize Obama for over promising aspects of ACA then by all means. Don't redefine words in order to suit your agenda.
What word did we redefine? You are doing just that, "over promising" is not the same as lie...which is what happened...a lie...
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We need to replace the ACA with a universal health care system that completely eliminated the private insurance industry from the system. Then we need to Federalize the pharmaceutical and other medical supply industries to eliminate the monopoly based price gouging.
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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Obama was awarded Lie of the Year by PolitiFact for telling the American people that they could keep their existing healthcare policies and doctors.

http://www.politifact.com/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it

Obama apologized and acted like he was completely unaware that this would all happen. But according to former Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), a staunch Obama supporter, Obama knew in advance that millions of policies were going to be cancelled.
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:10 AM
 
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Obama has no problem looking people in the face and lying. And people actually trust him?
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