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Old 08-09-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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He hasn't pushed implementation of key provisions past Election Day. The employer mandate is not a key to the law working as evidenced by the fact that the employer mandate hadn't been implemented and the states that embraced the Medicaid expansion and getting people signed through the exchanges have had these huge drops in the uninsured percentages.


A key policy being withheld would show up in the law not working.
If it wasn't an issue why did he push it past the election? Why was any of the law pushed past the election? Why did he have to lie about it during the 2012 election?

So it doesn't matter to you that Obama and Democrats are lying to the American people again?
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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You didnt at all address the OP's statements..

deflection isnt working so well for you today.
Deflection? Yall are making mountains of mole hills with this crap. Yall don't care about answers, just blasting Obama. It's pretty transparent.

On the one hand, conservative legislators have done everything to demonize, delay, and outright get rid of ACA. On the other, you cry about delays and what not.... Very transparent.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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If it wasn't an issue why did he push it past the election? Why was any of the law pushed past the election? Why did he have to lie about it during the 2012 election?

So it doesn't matter to you that Obama and Democrats are lying to the American people again?
Its a lie if Obama and democrats had known the entire time about how events were going to unfold. Don't be ignorant and partisan. No one lied about anything, they just couldn't follow through because of how our govt is setup.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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If it wasn't an issue why did he push it past the election? Why was any of the law pushed past the election? Why did he have to lie about it during the 2012 election?

So it doesn't matter to you that Obama and Democrats are lying to the American people again?
Because even though it is not a key aspect of the law, it appears the HHS wasn't prepared to really enforce or carry out this law for businesses. So he delayed implementation.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:19 PM
 
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Because even though it is not a key aspect of the law, it appears the HHS wasn't prepared to really enforce or carry out this law for businesses. So he delayed implementation.
You honestly believe it has nothing to do with millions of voters losing their "non-compliant" policies so that they will have to buy compliant policies that are coincidentally more expensive? Not going to be any political fallout over that?

Dream on. The fallout over just the individually purchased non-compliant policies was huge - that was what the whole "If you like your plan you can keep your plan" flap was about, should you have forgotten. That fallout is 100% of the reason that the individual mandate was retroactively delayed last March.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:22 PM
 
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Deflection? Yall are making mountains of mole hills with this crap. Yall don't care about answers, just blasting Obama. It's pretty transparent.

On the one hand, conservative legislators have done everything to demonize, delay, and outright get rid of ACA. On the other, you cry about delays and what not.... Very transparent.
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Its a lie if Obama and democrats had known the entire time about how events were going to unfold. Don't be ignorant and partisan. No one lied about anything, they just couldn't follow through because of how our govt is setup.





I bet you don't have a problem with Obama changing Law as he goes on his own either.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:28 PM
 
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Deflection? Yall are making mountains of mole hills with this crap. Yall don't care about answers, just blasting Obama. It's pretty transparent.

On the one hand, conservative legislators have done everything to demonize, delay, and outright get rid of ACA. On the other, you cry about delays and what not.... Very transparent.
So answer, if thought Americans would like the law why did Obama have to lie about it during the election?

We are questioning...

If supporters of Obamacare believe that this law is so desirable why did Obama push the employer mandate past the elections.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:31 PM
 
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You honestly believe it has nothing to do with millions of voters losing their "non-compliant" policies so that they will have to buy compliant policies that are coincidentally more expensive? Not going to be any political fallout over that?

Dream on. The fallout over just the individually purchased non-compliant policies was huge - that was what the whole "If you like your plan you can keep your plan" flap was about, should you have forgotten. That fallout is 100% of the reason that the individual mandate was retroactively delayed last March.
My policy was EXCELLENT and included insurance that I needed. Now I have to pay for what others need.
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Old 08-09-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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Because even though it is not a key aspect of the law, it appears the HHS wasn't prepared to really enforce or carry out this law for businesses. So he delayed implementation.
Obama wants to Democrats to keep the senate. You would think if he thought Obamacare was so good he would not push parts of it past the election. Everyone would be happy it would help Democrats win. Instead, like in 2012 he is lying and hiding it's effects. Geeze, Obama followers are incapable of seeing the obvious.

2012 Election
"if you like you healthcare insurance you can keep your insurance" Afterward we found it was a LIE

2014 Election
The employer mandate is pushed past an election. So what else doesn't he want you to know? What is this election lie.

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Old 08-09-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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I havent followed the employer mandate much. But starting in the beginning pf 2014, weren't ALL health insurance plans (including employer provided insurance) to meet the ACA minimum standards (RX, er, ambulance, pregnancy and etc minimum coverage).

All the employer mandate is to enforce employers w/ over 50 full time employées to continue or begin offering coverage. If employers starting dropping coverage, isnt it really the employer to be blame? (hey theyre trying to costs all the time, and employee health coverage is a big expense)
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