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"because regardless on if we should have gone in or not, once we were in we needed to finish the job."
With this I wholeheartedly agree.
And we didn't.
We were still training the Iraq troops. They were not ready to be left unsupervised.
We were showing great progress in freeing many of the cities and having the local police take over withy our supervision. The locals were helped greatly in ridding their cities of terrorists.
Having done 2 tours in Viet Nam I am disgusted with Obama.
He declared "the IRAQ WAR IS OVER", YET WE Never SAW ANY ONE SIGN PAPERS or surrender. or see the people celebrate in victory.
He just plain quit. Long before the army and police were prepared to take over.
To me, all those Americans who died there, died in vain.
It was amazing to see so many of our military, under Bush, re-up and volunteered to do 2, 3 and even 4 tours in Iraq.
When asked, they usually said they they WERE making a difference and wanted to finish the job.
Their attitudes changed dramatically when Obama took over and changed the Rules of Engagement putting them more danger.
I would be interested in the stats on re-enlistments since Obama tool over.
I personally many know service people who did NOT re-enlist just because of Obama.
I don't believe anything you're saying. You're painting rosy pictures.
For one, soldiers may have reenlisted, but why wouldn't they? Where else are they gonna get a 20 year pension and other Cadillac benefits?
And this idea that we were making progress is a lie...pure and simple. The Iraqi people wanted us out, and I don't like being an uninvited party pooper.
Just because you did two Vietnam tours doesn't mean anything on this topic. You guys got had in that war too...didn't you learn anything from the experience?
We should've left Germany BEFORE...LONG BEFORE the Cold War ended.
Does Iraq deserve a democracy? Sure, why not (throwing up my hands).
Do I deserve to finance it? Hell effin' NO!
BTW...did the Iraqis ask us to bring them democracy?
Again...no.
Again it doesnt matter if you agreed with us going into iraq or not. Its the old addage you break it you own it. To leave it like this will cause future countries to not trust us. Plus it is morally wrong to leave those who trusted us without our help until thry can do it themselves.
Umm... The Cold War ended in 1991. Why are we still there? Cold War tensions still? 23 years later?
Iraq deserves a democracy. All nations do. We went in to give them just that; we left and it ISIS is threatening Iraq's chance of democracy and now we're back. That's simplified but that's more or less why. Conservatives want the job we went in to do initially to be done and have lasting results.
The Shiite leadership of Iraq basically ruined the chance of a democratic Iraq as well instead of trying to unite the country, that's why an extremist group of foreigner nutjobs like ISIS could basically gain support among Sunni tribes in the north(and ex-Baathists that would previously have nothing to do with ISIS). It's a very messy situation, but how long were we expected to spend billions babysitting the Iraqi military--which under Maliki became basically a den of corruption where generalships are doled out to those who can pay for them. Now we're supposed to have soldiers on the ground for more US casualties, permanently injured veterans, billions spent, and an end result which just helps groups like ISIS recruit?
In 2003, with all the issues the US could've dealt with stateside or even in other parts of the world...the most important one was trying to bring democracy to Iraq? The Neocons had no realistic endgame that was more than "we'll be welcomed as liberators and it'll be easy."
Again it doesnt matter if you agreed with us going into iraq or not. Its the old addage you break it you own it. To leave it like this will cause future countries to not trust us.
Countries trusted us before? You mean countries like Chile, Guatemala, Iran, Congo, Cuba, or Vietnam?
There's no reason to have ever trusted the United States...any nation doing so is a fool.
Did we break Iraq? Yep. Should my tax money go to fix it while American cities and towns remain broken? Nope.
Countries trusted us before? You mean countries like Chile, Guatemala, Iran, Congo, Cuba, or Vietnam?
There's no reason to have ever trusted the United States...any nation doing so is a fool.
Did we break Iraq? Yep. Should my tax money go to fix it while American cities and towns remain broken? Nope.
Its not a one or other thing. Just because we are out doesnt mean that money will go to fix our cities. The priorities are not there. Both can be done. This goverment just prints what it needs anyways. If something in the usa isnt fixed it wasnt important enough to this goverment to fix. Sad as that is.
Again it doesnt matter if you agreed with us going into iraq or not. Its the old addage you break it you own it. To leave it like this will cause future countries to not trust us. Plus it is morally wrong to leave those who trusted us without our help until thry can do it themselves.
The Iraqis never trusted us or wanted us to invade in the first place.
We still have troops in South Korea, Japan, and Europe, why? Ever bothered to think that through?
Are those troops in Japan, Europe or South Korea running around those countries killing civilians? Or are they there just training every day just like they do when they are garrisoned here in the USA?
Their presence in those countries was to help guide those countries as they struggled to put their countries back together, and in many cases to assist them in transitioning their governments, while helping to keep the peace.
If we had pulled our troops out of West Germany and South Korea around 1953, after they just assembled their fledgling governments, what do you think would have happened?
The Iraqis never trusted us or wanted us to invade in the first place.
Again regardless on if you wanted us to invade. It happened, now do we do it right or cut and run? Thats the issue. Looking back on it i dont think we should have invaded iraq. Bush was wrong but that doesnt mean we should leave with the job not completed.
Liberals can't wrap their minds around it because they have a childish, immature grasp of the world where we're all 7 and 8 year-olds at a birthday party. But in the mature world of adults we have to face up to the fact there are some pretty grumpy people out there and they intend to be very mean to you. These people do not give up easily and they do NOT want your cake. Now we can get into the psychology of this if you like: It's a hot and dry part of the world and everybody is cranky. We water our lawns. To someone who comes from a desert watering your lawn is just about the unpardonable sin and they feel for anyone who would waste water on lawns and flowers the sort of outrage and contempt we feel toward heroin and methamphetimine dealers at an elementry school. It is obvious to them that such people must DIE!!!!
And then there is the freedom we accord to women. There is a saying in the Islamic world: "A woman makes only two journeys in her life. The first is from her father's house to her husband's house. The second is from her husband's house to her grave." Our women drive to the store to buy groceries. You cannot fathom how threatening this simple and reasonable liberation we grant our women can be to many Moslem men: Women are the source of children and the future. We would endanger someone so precious by letting them drive around town unprotected? Does not this freedom we grant to women--who are the source of children and the future--pose a horrifying threat at least as great as nuclear radiation? Clearly the Source of such irrational and suicidal ideas as letting women venture out without the protection of a man must be eradicated and wiped from the face of the Earth.
That's the sort of thinking we're facing in the lands of Islam--and it's not going to change overnight. But until it does change they quite seriously intend on wiping us from the face of this earth--and they include YOU among the people they would destroy right along with us conservatives.
soldiers may have reenlisted, but why wouldn't they? Where else are they gonna get a 20 year pension and other Cadillac benefits?
What an INSULT!!!!
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