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Old 08-22-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by T-310 View Post
Don't do the crime and you won't do the time.

Simple.
I'm sure you have broken the law at some point in your life. Ever drive 5 over the speed limit (that's inevitably set below a reasonable speed)? How would you feel if speeding was made a felony and subject to three strikes laws with prior convictions?

This guy stole freaking socks. It's absolutely ludicrous than in a supposedly free country one can be locked up for life with no opportunity for release for stealing socks. Ludicrous and, frankly, disgusting.
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: DC
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So - his last strike was in fact shoplifting. I am so glad we got that straightened out.

We should lock up people for crimes they have probably committed? Hmm, wasn't there some sort off document stressing the importance of stuff like "due process" and "presumption of innocence"? Could have sworn it used to be somewhat important.
His last strike was another felony in a long list of felonies.
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:13 AM
 
Location: DC
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I'm sure you have broken the law at some point in your life. Ever drive 5 over the speed limit (that's inevitably set below a reasonable speed)? How would you feel if speeding was made a felony and subject to three strikes laws with prior convictions?

This guy stole freaking socks. It's absolutely ludicrous than in a supposedly free country one can be locked up for life with no opportunity for release for stealing socks. Ludicrous and, frankly, disgusting.
Speeding, unless it is really excessive, isn't even a crime much less a felony. He didn't just steal socks, he's a career criminal. He will continue to steal and offend until he's put away. People like me are entitled to protection from career dirtbags.
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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His last strike was another felony in a long list of felonies.
Are you denying it was shoplifting? Do you find it at all proportionate to describe stealing socks as a felony?
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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Are you denying it was shoplifting? Do you find it at all proportionate to describe stealing socks as a felony?
It was a felony in a long line of felonies. His incarceration is for the totality of his criminal life. He did the crimes, now he does the time.
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Old 08-22-2014, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Speeding, unless it is really excessive, isn't even a crime much less a felony. He didn't just steal socks, he's a career criminal. He will continue to steal and offend until he's put away. People like me are entitled to protection from career dirtbags.
In my state, speeding is a misdemeanor, which is criminal. You are correct that it's not a felony.

Stealing socks in the vast majority of cases is also a misdemeanor in my state and most states.
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:30 PM
 
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Is there a correlation between states with lower crime rates and states with the 3 strikes law?
No, it looks like all the states with mandatory sentences for non-violent crimes (usually by the 3 strikes law) are higher crime rate states: Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina.

No one should be serving a life sentence for shop-lifting, or some of the other things listed in that article, even if it was a 3 strikes event. It's a total waste of the taxpayer's money to incarcerate people for life for petty non-violent offenses, and it accomplishes absolutely nothing in terms of public safety.
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:32 PM
 
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The "shoplifting" would have to be for enough money to be a felony. It take 3 felonies.

Yeah, like this hardened criminal:

"Ronald Washington, 48, is also serving life without parole in Angola, in his case for shoplifting two Michael Jordan jerseys from a Foot Action sportswear store in Shreveport, Louisiana, in 2004. Washington insisted at trial that the jerseys were reduced in a sale to $45 each – which meant that their combined value was below the $100 needed to classify the theft as a felony; the prosecution disagreed, claiming they were on sale for $60 each, thus surpassing the $100 felony minimum and opening him up to a sentence of life without parole."


wow, I feel so much safer knowing that guy is locked away for life.


Over 3,000 US prisoners serving life without parole for non-violent crimes | World news | theguardian.com
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:35 PM
 
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This is it in a nutshell. The poor in America cannot hire good lawyers and are easy to prosecute, police departments fill high quotas and prosecutors get rich. It's even easier when the poor are black.

Meanwhile, high level financial execs cheat all the time and they get bailouts and keep their unearned bonuses. They are rich and can afford deluxe legal teams so no one can touch them. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of Bernie Madoffs getting away with complex financial crimes that are difficult to prosecute. These crimes are at such a high level that they depress the economy, so the Americans who are happy to look the other way are fools. These financial institutions also launder money for drug cartels, and it is highly likely that they are supporting ISIS to an extent.

Happy cuz your mutual funds are doing OK returning say 7%, without the self-serving game playing on Wall Street, you'd be making 12%.

Let's quit picking on the little guys and go after white collar criminals America.
So true.


The U.S. zealously punishes poor people who have some drugs on them, or steal small items from stores---and we let the massive thefts of the crooks on Wall St. go unpunished.
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Old 08-22-2014, 06:18 PM
 
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i wonder how many crimes he did before he got caught. one of the problems with society today is why so many people can just not behave themselves. he knew it was illegal when he stole the socks. why can't you just behave. think what the crime rate be if people just learn to behave
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