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Old 08-20-2014, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Not uncommon when ESL programs are in place. Google Translator plus an editor and voilà!



Bilingual educators in schools where students are being taught to be bilingual. THE HORROR!
ESL Instruction is not bilingual instruction. Those are two separate programs.

I am ESL certified and I speak no foreign language.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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ESL Instruction is not bilingual instruction. Those are two separate programs.

I am ESL certified and I speak no foreign language.
I didn't say they were one in the same. Bilingualism speaks to the diversity of the staff.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:04 PM
 
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I didn't say they were one in the same.
Then why are you talking about bilingual educators in your last post along with "THE HORROR" next to it ?

ESL Instruction is not bilingual instruction.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Then why are you talking about bilingual educators in your last post along with "THE HORROR" next to it ?
An effect of ESL is bilingual children, is it not? I didn't say that students would be taught by educators who were all bilingual and that the curriculum would be taught by someone who speaks more than one language. Bilingualism in adult teachers is just a potential sign of diversity, which speaks to the other requirements you listed for the school.

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ESL Instruction is not bilingual instruction.
I didn't say it was.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:13 PM
 
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I didn't say they were one in the same. Bilingualism speaks to the diversity of the staff.
You can have non Hispanic White people speaking Arabic who can be a competent teachers.
That's not what holder wants.

He wants teachers of Arabic descent. That is in the article.

IMHO Holder went a bit overboard on the diversity mandate.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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You can have non Hispanic White people speaking Arabic who can be a competent teachers.
That's not what holder wants.

He wants teachers of Arabic descent. That is in the article.

IMHO Holder went a bit overboard on the diversity mandate.
Quite possibly. We'll just have to look forward to the lawsuits by all the Arabic-speaking Hispanic White people who were unjustly denied employment.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:22 PM
 
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You can have non Hispanic White people speaking Arabic who can be a competent teachers.
That's not what holder wants.

He wants teachers of Arabic descent. That is in the article.

IMHO Holder went a bit overboard on the diversity mandate.
why do we trip over ourselves to accommodate things like this? Jews send their kids to Yeshiva for immersion in Hebrew. Catholics send their kids to parochial school for immersion in Catholicism. Islamic countries have masdrassas. Let them build some here and pay for their kids to be taught in Arabic and have Arab teachers.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:25 PM
 
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Quite possibly. We'll just have to look forward to the lawsuits by all the Arabic-speaking Hispanic White people who were unjustly denied employment.
Sadly there aren't even that many Hispanic bilingual teachers for Spanish speaking students.
Many of them are White.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:31 PM
 
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Sadly there aren't even that many Hispanic bilingual teachers for Spanish speaking students.
Many of them are White.
That was sort of my point about the lawsuits. But it also illustrates how stupid Holder is. He didn't have to articulate the diversity requirement in the way that he did. It would have naturally gone that way.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:42 PM
 
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That was sort of my point about the lawsuits. But it also illustrates how stupid Holder is. He didn't have to articulate the diversity requirement in the way that he did. It would have naturally gone that way.
Holder may have given them the grounds to get H1-B teachers
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