Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:11 PM
 
317 posts, read 328,900 times
Reputation: 245

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynternight View Post
And you people claim to be strict Constitutionalists. You're strict when it suits you and happy to wipe your arse with it otherwise.
I don't know who you're referring to, but I'm not a strict Constitutionalist.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:14 PM
 
317 posts, read 328,900 times
Reputation: 245
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88 View Post
I agree that it's a mental disorder, but how is it a "danger to society" to enable people to change their own bodies as they see fit?

I see it as very weird, but if someone wants to spend the money and go through the surgeries, etc, it's nobody's business but theirs.
When someone does something that is hurting themselves, is the right response to just let them do it?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
3,840 posts, read 4,511,880 times
Reputation: 3089
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lodestar View Post
The article says that post-surgery suicide rates increase by 20%. Can you provide me with a source for your data, please?

This is what I've found from the National Center for Biotechnology Information, National institute of Health:

"CONCLUSIONS:

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."


That was the point of my post - I don't think they've discovered yet what works in the patient's best interests because of all this floundering about regarding the politics of it all.
I'll find my supporting documentation but there's another interesting statistic for people post-operative: suicide rates for people post-bariatric surgery have a measurable increase.

I'm firmly in the camp that anyone having body-altering surgery, no matter the reason, need to continue to be followed by professionals for at least a year, maybe longer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
3,840 posts, read 4,511,880 times
Reputation: 3089
Quote:
Originally Posted by kbt1766 View Post
When someone does something that is hurting themselves, is the right response to just let them do it?
If you find someone cutting themself with a knife, no, letting them do it is not right. If someone who is under strict, multi-disciplinary care, as transgendered people are, is getting the approved treatment for their Gender Identity Disorder, then it's none of your damn business.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:22 PM
 
27,307 posts, read 16,222,978 times
Reputation: 12102
Gender confused are generally confused about life in general, generally speaking.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Southern MN
12,040 posts, read 8,421,785 times
Reputation: 44802
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynternight View Post
I'll find my supporting documentation but there's another interesting statistic for people post-operative: suicide rates for people post-bariatric surgery have a measurable increase.

I'm firmly in the camp that anyone having body-altering surgery, no matter the reason, need to continue to be followed by professionals for at least a year, maybe longer.
Bariatric surgery aside you did perceive the suicide rate to be reduced post sex reassignment surgery so I'm wondering why the disparity.

Okay. I'll check back later. I'm genuinely interested.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:29 PM
 
317 posts, read 328,900 times
Reputation: 245
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynternight View Post
If you find someone cutting themself with a knife, no, letting them do it is not right. If someone who is under strict, multi-disciplinary care, as transgendered people are, is getting the approved treatment for their Gender Identity Disorder, then it's none of your damn business.
I guess caring about people is wrong, I shouldn't do it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Ohio
13,933 posts, read 12,896,363 times
Reputation: 7399
Quote:
Originally Posted by kbt1766 View Post
When someone does something that is hurting themselves, is the right response to just let them do it?
I guess that depends on the situation. I'm a big believer in personal freedom. If someone wants to do something and they aren't hurting anyone else, why should anyone have any say over that? I even support assisted suicide for terminally ill patients. No doubt you'd consider that "hurting themselves"

As for gender reassignment surgery, how are they hurting themselves? Many would argue that they are actually improving themselves and boosting their own mental health and self-esteem.

I wonder, do you feel the same way about women who want breast enhancements? How about people who get nose jobs?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:37 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
5,660 posts, read 5,088,512 times
Reputation: 6086
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88 View Post
I see it as very weird, but if someone wants to spend the money and go through the surgeries, etc, it's nobody's business but theirs.
It becomes someone else's business when we are forced to play along with the insanity to appease their sickness. When a guy in a dress is introduced as "Wanda" and everyone in the office told that they must address him as such and be sure to use the correct pronoun in referring to "it", not laugh at him, and try to maintain professional decorum, or face the wrath of HR.

It becomes my business when a faculty member at my daughter's school, or a classmate, is allowed to remain and act crazy while everyone is encouraged to let-them-be-them-isn't-it-wonderful!

If they do not make their problems ours, and keep the cross dressing behind closed doors, I don't give a damn how much self-mutilation they want to engage in. It's when they bring it our and place expectations on others that the problems start.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2014, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Ohio
13,933 posts, read 12,896,363 times
Reputation: 7399
Quote:
Originally Posted by Workin_Hard View Post
It becomes someone else's business when we are forced to play along with the insanity to appease their sickness. When a guy in a dress is introduced as "Wanda" and everyone in the office told that they must address him as such and be sure to use the correct pronoun in referring to "it", not laugh at him, and try to maintain professional decorum, or face the wrath of HR.

It becomes my business when a faculty member at my daughter's school, or a classmate, is allowed to remain and act crazy while everyone is encouraged to let-them-be-them-isn't-it-wonderful!

If they do not make their problems ours, and keep the cross dressing behind closed doors, I don't give a damn how much self-mutilation they want to engage in. It's when they bring it our and place expectations on others that the problems start.
I asked how letting them get gender reassignment surgery was anyone else's business... What you're talking about and what I'm talking about are different things.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:48 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top