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Old 08-20-2014, 05:52 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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I didn't read the articles, but I think that transsexualism is silly. The whole "born into the wrong body" thing is just nonsense. If you were born a man, how can you possibly know what it feels like to be a woman? Your conception of a "woman" is based off of what you see in your surroundings: women typically have long hair, wear makeup, wear dresses and high heels, carry a purse, etc. So, your overall idea of what it is to be a woman is based off of superficial factors. And if there was no such thing as transsexual surgery, then what would these people do? They'd have no choice but to tough it out. And if they would commit suicide over not being able to change their genitals, then it simply shows that they were suicidal to begin with. Because even with the surgery, it doesn't change your internal organs. A man who gets transsexual surgery can't birth a baby.
Well, all women don't give birth, but they have the plumbing for it.

There no changing the genetics, they'll never produce eggs and genetically they're still XY men.
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Old 08-20-2014, 06:10 PM
 
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I didn't read the articles, but I think that transsexualism is silly. The whole "born into the wrong body" thing is just nonsense. If you were born a man, how can you possibly know what it feels like to be a woman?
One way is perhaps your sexual attraction to men.

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Your conception of a "woman" is based off of what you see in your surroundings: women typically have long hair, wear makeup, wear dresses and high heels, carry a purse, etc. So, your overall idea of what it is to be a woman is based off of superficial factors. And if there was no such thing as transsexual surgery, then what would these people do? They'd have no choice but to tough it out. And if they would commit suicide over not being able to change their genitals, then it simply shows that they were suicidal to begin with. Because even with the surgery, it doesn't change your internal organs. A man who gets transsexual surgery can't birth a baby.
Because you are uncomfortable with the idea that not everyone is like you why should they have to "tough it out" when their choice.really doesn't affect you?

100 years ago if you got cancer your option would have been to "tough it out" until you die. Would you still take that option today?
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:21 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Other people who want to make major detrimental modifications to their body-people who want to have limbs amputated, for example, aren't encouraged to do so and called "normal" mentally, and neither should those who want sex change operations.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:37 PM
 
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This is obvious to anyone with a brain. The only reason people think otherwise is because they have an emotional bias and want to justify their lifestyle, and they have bought into the agenda driven mainstream media propaganda, but that's because most people are sheep and lack the ability to question and think for themselves.

All honest mental health professionals will tell you the same thing. The only reason why they changed their official stance is because of public pressure from lobbyist groups, it's not "politically correct" to suggest that transgenderism is not normal and an obvious mental illness just like transspecies would be seen as the same (would a man thinking he was a fish be normal? No obviously not!), as such they have been forced to remain silent or face the wrath of those lobbyists labeling them as a "hate group." Just look at how upset people in this thread are getting over this? They're so hateful and so bitter!

Like I said, people don't care about the truth. They only care about confirming their own emotional bias and are only interested in believing what makes them happy. A dangerous and false mindset that eventually destroys a person. If you were on a beach and there was a hurricane coming and you were warned about it but refused to listen because you didn't like it that doesn't mean that the hurricane still isn't coming.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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David Reimer case.

He committed suicide.
Wow, I didn't know that. Incredibly sad. Reinforcing my personal feeling that whatever a person feels about his/her sexual identity is more important than the category(s) other people assign.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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This is obvious to anyone with a brain. The only reason people think otherwise is because they have an emotional bias and want to justify their lifestyle, and they have bought into the agenda driven mainstream media propaganda, but that's because most people are sheep and lack the ability to question and think for themselves.

All honest mental health professionals will tell you the same thing. The only reason why they changed their official stance is because of public pressure from lobbyist groups, it's not "politically correct" to suggest that transgenderism is not normal and an obvious mental illness just like transspecies would be seen as the same (would a man thinking he was a fish be normal? No obviously not!), as such they have been forced to remain silent or face the wrath of those lobbyists labeling them as a "hate group." Just look at how upset people in this thread are getting over this? They're so hateful and so bitter!
I've pointed this out to others concerning different topics but it applies here also. You do not speak for nor do you get to speak for all mental health professionals.

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Like I said, people don't care about the truth. They only care about confirming their own emotional bias and are only interested in believing what makes them happy. A dangerous and false mindset that eventually destroys a person. If you were on a beach and there was a hurricane coming and you were warned about it but refused to listen because you didn't like it that doesn't mean that the hurricane still isn't coming.
It doesn't make me happy to understand that some are born with, for a lack of a better word, a flaw.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:54 PM
 
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Wow, I didn't know that. Incredibly sad. Reinforcing my personal feeling that whatever a person feels about his/her sexual identity is more important than the category(s) other people assign.

You need to always look these things up. All the partisans lie or at least misdirect. He was proceeded into death by a parent who suicided and an identical twin who overdosed. Basically he did better than the normals. With the normal variation of human kind their is no way to tell whether it helped or hurt though it clearly did no good.

Maybe in 50 years we will have some level of understanding. In the meantime we follow our prejudice.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:56 PM
 
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Most people who wish to change sexes and have organs removed, etc. almost always have underlying mental issues, whether it be major depression, bipolar disorder, etc. Not saying 100% do, but a majority do.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:59 PM
 
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I knew a transgender male personally. He was born male and wanted to become female. He had the breasts enlarge somewhat, I think due to hormones he was taking. He dressed like a woman. He had thoughts and feelings like a woman. He wanted to talk about shopping and purses. In standing next to him, I felt he was a woman in many ways, just as I am.

Before I tell you the HELL he went through, let me tell you that he was most sweetest, gentle, caring person I have ever met. We had a nice connection, friendship. He wanted to date girls. He said he was not attracted to men.

He had to use the male dressing room to change into his uniform. He was attacked by the men in there, who called him a freak. They did not want him in there, with his bra and panties on. They contacted HR and he was removed from the male dressing room.

He wanted to undress in the female changing room. This presented a problem because he was technically male. He had his penis. I told him personally that I would not have a problem with him feeling more comfortable in the female changing room. (not sure how many felt the way I did but a lot of the girls talked with him and knew what he was going through).

HR eventually created a private space for him to change his clothes. He would dress to extreme though sometimes and I would explain to him to soften his look, as most females don't wear bright shocking pink pants, glittery heels and tank tops. I was more worried about his safety, dressed as a woman and walking down the street at night.

HR finally solved his problem. They got rid of him. He was considered some sort of liability. It was very sad. I do not know what happened to him...
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Old 08-20-2014, 09:13 PM
 
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Most people who wish to change sexes and have organs removed, etc. almost always have underlying mental issues, whether it be major depression, bipolar disorder, etc. Not saying 100% do, but a majority do.
How many would you say you've counseled to come to this conclusion? Doesn't have to be exact. Somewhere close to zero?
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