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Old 08-21-2014, 03:24 PM
 
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A cop car on the street? How unusual!
I am talking about how it was positioned in the street.

 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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- the cop's version of events that so far have not been proven incorrect by anything released so far.
- the numerous witnesses, including Johnson, who were proven to be lying by the physical evidence so far, which removes any credibility they have regarding this incident.
- the injury to the cop.
- and again, no evidence so far presented has refuted anything about the cop's version of events.
We have no statement from the policeman. Period.
The injury has not been substantiated.

Actually those siding with the cop's version are basing it on less facts than those
siding with Brown.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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An uproarious, moving John Oliver is perfect on Ferguson
An uproarious, moving John Oliver is perfect on Ferguson - Vox

I have to 100% agree here. Now its not judgement on the cop shooting itself. Its almost incidental. It doesn't really matter.


How can you have a police force with a population that is 2/3 African american have less than 10% of your workforce (around 5 officers) African American. Look at the arrest rates. . ridiculous.


The issue here isn't the spark that caused this fire to catch. Ferguson administration is flawed and not representative of the people it is helping. This causes HUGE issues
.

And who is to blame for that? Ferguson is 70% African American but less than 15% are registered voters. So who's to blame for that?
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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The witness that said "he was shot....and kept coming at the officer. Shot again and kept coming at the officer"

If you are ordered to freeze, and you keep coming forward, you can be shot to be incapacitated. If you are shot and still keep coming forward? Dead.

End of story. 4 shots to the arm to incapacitate, you don't keep coming forward from a head shot. The witness in the video post shooting said "he kept coming at the officer".

This kid wrote his own death certificate.

Nobody ever shoots to incapacitate. You shoot to stop the threat, if the threat is stopped, you stop firing, if the threat hasn't been stopped, you keep shooting.






If Brown was charging the officer, the officer was well within his rights to take as many shots as he needed to stop Brown.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:29 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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An uproarious, moving John Oliver is perfect on Ferguson
An uproarious, moving John Oliver is perfect on Ferguson - Vox

I have to 100% agree here. Now its not judgement on the cop shooting itself. Its almost incidental. It doesn't really matter.


How can you have a police force with a population that is 2/3 African american have less than 10% of your workforce (around 5 officers) African American. Look at the arrest rates. . ridiculous.


The issue here isn't the spark that caused this fire to catch. Ferguson administration is flawed and not representative of the people it is helping. This causes HUGE issues.
How many qualified Black applicants were passed over in favor of White applicants?
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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And who is to blame for that? Ferguson is 70% African American but less than 15% are registered voters. So who's to blame for that?
I think it's Bush. It must be Bush. He's to blame for everything.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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An uproarious, moving John Oliver is perfect on Ferguson
An uproarious, moving John Oliver is perfect on Ferguson - Vox

I have to 100% agree here. Now its not judgement on the cop shooting itself. Its almost incidental. It doesn't really matter.


How can you have a police force with a population that is 2/3 African american have less than 10% of your workforce (around 5 officers) African American. Look at the arrest rates. . ridiculous.


The issue here isn't the spark that caused this fire to catch. Ferguson administration is flawed and not representative of the people it is helping. This causes HUGE issues.
This has been gone over before;

- Ferguson is only recently majority black, only 20 years ago it was 3/4 white, ten years ago it was 50/50.

- The availability rate in the St. Louis SMA for black cops is 14.8%, meaning that at Ferguson's 5.4%? employment rate of black cops, it would need an additional 5 cops to meet the availability rate using the St. Louis SMA.

- We have no idea what the applicant pool has been for the police department, you cannot just force blacks to apply for the jobs. So until we know who the applicants are, there is no way to tell if there has been hiring discrimination or not.

- Has there been any complaints filed from applicants?

- Would an additional 5 black cops have made any difference?

- How many employment opportunities have there been?

Let's look past the arrest rates, what are the conviction rates?
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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How many qualified Black applicants were passed over in favor of White applicants?
You tell me? How many were there being that almost no AA are apart of the police force?
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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And who is to blame for that? Ferguson is 70% African American but less than 15% are registered voters.
And that has to do with hiring black officers because....
The Mayor has already acknowledged it is THEIR problem - so I guess the blame goes there.

Ferguson mayor pledges to recruit black officers as city breaks silence : News

"In an interview, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles said he is working to bolster minority hiring in a police department that has just three black officers on a force of 53. But he cautioned that it will take time.

“We don’t hire a new cop every year,” Knowles said. “Every time we do, we are rushing out there to find an African-American officer. It’s a problem that we’re committed to working with others to fix.”
 
Old 08-21-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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An uproarious, moving John Oliver is perfect on Ferguson
An uproarious, moving John Oliver is perfect on Ferguson - Vox

I have to 100% agree here. Now its not judgement on the cop shooting itself. Its almost incidental. It doesn't really matter.


How can you have a police force with a population that is 2/3 African american have less than 10% of your workforce (around 5 officers) African American. Look at the arrest rates. . ridiculous.


The issue here isn't the spark that caused this fire to catch. Ferguson administration is flawed and not representative of the people it is helping. This causes HUGE issues.
Here is a solution. Always have two police officers per car. Always have one white and one black officer. White cop arrests white people. Black cop arrests black people.

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