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These are supposed to be police not the military. Why do police need to patrol the streets with automatic rifles? Are we under military occupation?
These are weapons of war. What's next on the police dept. wishlist? Tanks and bazookas?
These are not "automatic" nor are they "weapons of war".... Our soldiers are not issued semi-automatic hunting rifles to go in to battle, they are issued full-auto, select-fire m16's....
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I didn't know you had to be a gun expert or gun nut to comment on this thread....
But the point still stands. Unless we are being invaded by a foreign army, the police do not need to be carrying assault weapons as their standard service weapon, or at all.
With all due respect, how can you determine that police should or should not be carrying an AR15, when you aren't even clear on what an AR15 is?
You don't have to be an expert on weapons to be able to talk about them, but you should at least have a basic working knowledge of them in order to have an intelligent opinion.
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Still doesn't answer the most important question - why
campus police would require such a weapon? Are they power mad? Why would anyone
for that matter? The AR15 is not a hunting rifle, nor is it made for home
defense.
I would agree the AR15 isn't a hunting rifle, it simply isn't powerful enough. Most deer rifles are far more powerful than an AR15 shooting standard .223 caliber rounds. Although many people do use them to hunt wild boar and other varmints such as coyote. As far as home defense, many people find them ideal for just that purpose. They are light weight, have very little recoil ( or "kick" ) and hold a substantial number of rounds. The very fact that many use them for home defense makes them an ideal home defense weapon.
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...and its only a matter of time before these police depts. begin requesting
them to be 'upgraded' to fully automatic M16s.
Looks like someone's been using Google.... Good for you!
I would agree the AR15 isn't a hunting rifle, it simply isn't powerful enough. Most deer rifles are far more powerful than an AR15 shooting standard .223 caliber rounds. Although many people do use them to hunt wild boar and other varmints such as coyote. As far as home defense, many people find them ideal for just that purpose. They are light weight, have very little recoil ( or "kick" ) and hold a substantial number of rounds. The very fact that many use them for home defense makes them an ideal home defense weapon.
Looks like someone's been using Google.... Good for you!
AR15 deal for home defense? Haha good one. Maybe if you live in a gang neighborhood perhaps, or the Gaza Strip. But other than that, it does appear to be the weapon of choice for people going on mass shooting sprees. One was used in the Newtown shooting, for example, where Adam Lanza used an AR15 to massacre 20 elementary schoolkids. The AR15 was also the weapon of choice for the guy who shot up the movie theater a couple years ago in Colorado killing 12 people.
In short, the AR15 is more ideal for going on a shooting spree than for home defense. You can kill a lot of people with it in a short amount of time. A semi-automatic hunting rifle may be more powerful, but the powerful recoil ensures a slow rate of fire. The AR15 OTOH is ideal for a shooting spree because many rounds can be fired rapidly in succession, under control and with good accuracy (not much recoil). That's more or less what an assault rifle is designed to do (automatic or not).
AR15 deal for home defense? Haha good one. Maybe if you live in a gang neighborhood perhaps, or the Gaza Strip. But other than that, it does appear to be the weapon of choice for people going on mass shooting sprees. One was used in the Newtown shooting, for example, where Adam Lanza used an AR15 to massacre 20 elementary schoolkids. The AR15 was also the weapon of choice for the guy who shot up the movie theater a couple years ago in Colorado killing 12 people.
In short, the AR15 is more ideal for going on a shooting spree than for home defense. You can kill a lot of people with it in a short amount of time. A semi-automatic hunting rifle may be more powerful, but the powerful recoil ensures a slow rate of fire. The AR15 OTOH is ideal for a shooting spree because many rounds can be fired rapidly in succession, under control and with good accuracy (not much recoil). That's more or less what an assault rifle is designed to do (automatic or not).
I guess you've just answered your own question as to "why" a campus police officer might need an AR15 rifle while on duty.... Why would you want a mad man on a shooting spree to have a better weapon than law enforcement?
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AR15 deal for home defense? Haha good one. Maybe if you live in a gang neighborhood perhaps, or the Gaza Strip. But other than that, it does appear to be the weapon of choice for people going on mass shooting sprees. One was used in the Newtown shooting, for example, where Adam Lanza used an AR15 to massacre 20 elementary schoolkids. The AR15 was also the weapon of choice for the guy who shot up the movie theater a couple years ago in Colorado killing 12 people.
In short, the AR15 is more ideal for going on a shooting spree than for home defense. You can kill a lot of people with it in a short amount of time. A semi-automatic hunting rifle may be more powerful, but the powerful recoil ensures a slow rate of fire. The AR15 OTOH is ideal for a shooting spree because many rounds can be fired rapidly in succession, under control and with good accuracy (not much recoil). That's more or less what an assault rifle is designed to do (automatic or not).
is identicle to the AR15 in every way accept for the way it looks. It Shoots the same bullets, is semi-automatic, and holds the same number of rounds, yet it isn't considered an "assault weapon" under the law, it's considered a hunting rifle. Why is that do you think? The reason is because the term "assault weapon" was invented to illicit fear and confusion, and has nothing to do with functionality or lethality. Don't allow yourself to be misled by politicians with an agenda to push.
More on the AR15:
Rifles of any type are used in less than 400 crimes a year. The AR15 rifle is used in so few instances that the FBI doesn't even give it it's own category and lumps it in with all rifles.
More on mass shootings:
Mass shootings, despite what the media wants you to believe, are not happening any more frequently than before and remain a rare statistical anomaly. They make up fewer than 1/10th of 1% of all crime.
...... Just thought I'd add this in case you go and say we need to ban "assault weapons" like the AR15, which I don't doubt is what you were about to assert.
Originally Posted by cisco kid
AR15 deal for home defense? Haha good
one.
Oh and one more thing Cisco, YOU don't get to decide what I "need" to defend my home and my family, that is for ME to decide. I want to have every possible advantage if I am forced to defend what is mine, and that includes having the best possible tool for the job.
I guess you've just answered your own question as to "why" a campus police officer might need an AR15 rifle while on duty.... Why would you want a mad man on a shooting spree to have a better weapon than law enforcement?
Ever heard of SWAT? That's what they are for. In fact, the first police units to arrive on the scene at the Sandy Hook elementary school were SWAT tactical units who were equipped with assault rifles. But even they could not prevent Lanza from killing those kids. By the time police and SWAT arrived, he shot himself in the head, and 26 people lay dead or dying. This isn't a Rambo movie. In reality, no amount of firepower was going to stop him from killing those kids (and teachers).
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Oh and one more thing Cisco, YOU don't get to decide what I "need" to defend my home and my family, that is for ME to decide. I want to have every possible advantage if I am forced to defend what is mine, and that includes having the best possible tool for the job.
Why so angry? I'm not deciding anything for you. Just wondering how useful an assault rifle would actually be for home defense. But since you can't respond with a legitimate answer to the question, you get bent out of shape.
Seems to me any rifle type weapon would be pretty awkward and cumbersome to handle in the close quarters of a household environment. Not very useful for home defense. A handgun would be a lot easier to handle when you're fumbling around in the dark, imo. It's easy to accidentally knock things over with a rifle, alerting the intruder.
On the contrary, an AR-platform rifle is a great choice for home defense. It can be equipped with a light and a laser, and will not require one-handed shooting in order to use said light. I know pistols can have lights mounted on them.
And please stop calling the AR-15 an assault rifle. It is not.
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