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Old 08-21-2014, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
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The Occupy Crowd are basically classic "libertarians" .
No, they are not. Not even close. Educate yourself a little bit.

 
Old 08-21-2014, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
Actually, the better translation is that EmeraldCityWanderer knows NOTHING about libertarianism, thus blah blah.

Minor quibble. You were mostly right.
Correct.

Lots of people post about Libertarians who have no clue and have never read the Libertarian Party platform.
 
Old 08-21-2014, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by Speleothem View Post
Stupid thread title.
I am a Libertarian; I an NOT an anarchist.
I just wanna be left alone, not move to Somalia.
Why can't people understand the difference between
small government and no government?
Because they are ignorant and do not want to learn about Libertarians.
 
Old 08-22-2014, 04:09 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Because they are both basically republicans, libertarian candidates even take part in republican only debates. And most American anarchists and libertarians are not "true" anarchists and libertarians. Rather they are "social" groups of people being manipulated by the corporate think tanks that control these groups.
Look, there is no doubt that many libertarians aren't true libertarians. I have met plenty of so-called libertarians who basically just want to smoke pot legally. And I am sure there are other libertarians who have been manipulated by economic interests to think they are something they are not.

The problem with your critique of libertarians and anarchists, is that your statement is true of all ideologies. There are democrats who have been manipulated by special-interests, there are republicans who have been manipulated by special-interests. For that matter, the political ideology of a person is based largely on the environment they are raised in. Basically, if you were born and raised in the northeast, you'll probably be a liberal. While if you were born in the south, you will probably be a conservative. There is manipulation and propaganda going on all the time around us.


This idea that libertarians have a monopoly on people who aren't genuine, is just stupid. It would assume that there are basically only a few ideologies, and you must adhere absolutely to that single ideology or you aren't being genuine. When in reality, there is an infinite amount of diversity of opinion from one end of the political spectrum to the other. The real problem, is that there are so few labels.


Even anarchy has about a hundred different ideologies associated with it. The basic two branches of anarchy would be "anarcho-socialism" and "anarcho-capitalism". Those two ideologies are completely incompatible with each other. They are basically on exactly opposites ends of the political spectrum. Yet they are both a form of anarchy.

If you have the time, you should read this basic overview of anarchism.

Anarchist schools of thought - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


My personal two favorite types of anarchism, would be anarcho-pacifism and christian-anarchism.

Anarcho-pacifism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christian anarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 08-22-2014, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Exactly, if you tend to agree with Democrats on social issues and Republicans on fiscal issues there is a good chance you have a libertarian streak in you.

Our system of government is designed to ensure there is no sudden radical change in government. You elect libertarians and the welfare state will not disappear overnight nor will heroin be suddenly legalized.

I favor gay marriage and oppose Obamacare. That certainly disqualifies me from being a liberal or a conservative. Yes, boys and girls, you can be moderately libertarian.
I feel the same way you do, I'm against both republican Party and democratic party, and registered independent, however, my believes are moderate in some cases and conservative in others....

years ago, I knew a libertarian, and he refused to pay taxes, is that also standard of a libertarian?

Can you define more of what A libertarian believes in?

The right to bear arms?
 
Old 08-22-2014, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by Speleothem View Post
Stupid thread title.
I am a Libertarian; I an NOT an anarchist.
I just wanna be left alone, not move to Somalia.
Why can't people understand the difference between
small government and no government?

I get really really really annoyed when I hear people say Somalia is in a state of anarchy. When I hear them say that, I assume they must know absolutely nothing about Somalia, or for that matter anarchy.

Somalia is not in a genuine state of anarchy, and it never was. Somalia is having a Civil War. As a result of the Civil War, many regions of the country are effectively "lawless". Not because there is no law, or because there is no attempt to enforce the laws that exist(IE, not anarchy). Rather, it is just impossible to enforce the law.

Any time the government is incapable of enforcing the law, then there is lawlessness, but it doesn't mean there is genuine anarchy. For instance, you could argue that south Vietnam during the Vietnam war was in a state of relative lawlessness, since the government was unable to prevent the north Vietnamese from coming in and killing and torturing people(IE breaking the law). But would you say south Vietnam circa 1969 was in a state of anarchy? Of course not.


Many believe that Somalia has no government, but they are mistaken. Somalia on some level has basically had a continuous government. And has had an internationally recognized federal government since at least 2006. The United Nations and the United States has been assisting Somalia both establish a government, as well as assisting the government with weapons to fight the "rebel factions" in the country.

Somali Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Somalia is not in a state of anarchy. Please everyone stop saying it.
 
Old 08-22-2014, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Originally Posted by Speleothem View Post
Stupid thread title.
I am a Libertarian; I an NOT an anarchist.
I just wanna be left alone, not move to Somalia.
Why can't people understand the difference between
small government and no government?
my foster dad once told me, when I was little, that people were getting so lazy, they didn't want to be concerned with the matters of our country, so they started to give more and more to the government, moving forward to, today, they opened a can of worms thru laziness....

What really uks me big time, is people go to the voting box, and vote for whomever they fancy in their political party of choice, without knowing or caring who that person is, until today, almost every politican is corrupt and doesent' give a darn about the people he/she is supposed to be working for. People do not realize, just how corrupt government is, and if your government is corrupt, so will your people be.
 
Old 08-22-2014, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I feel the same way you do, I'm against both republican Party and democratic party, and registered independent, however, my believes are moderate in some cases and conservative in others....

years ago, I knew a libertarian, and he refused to pay taxes, is that also standard of a libertarian?

Can you define more of what A libertarian believes in?

The right to bear arms?
Here is a good source of information.

Libertarian Party | Maximum Freedom, Minimum Government
 
Old 08-22-2014, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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forgive me, but I don't understand this:

In one paragraph it says....

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The Libertarian Party calls on the Ferguson and St. Louis County Police Departments to:
  • Release the name of the police officer who shot Michael Brown.
  • Let the investigation into the shooting play out without escalating tensions.
  • Stop arresting reporters and observers in blatant violation of the First Amendment
  • Stand down and withdraw the militarized response.
And in another paragraph it says this:

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The Libertarian Party also denounces and demands accountability for protesters who vandalize, loot, and destroy private property and thus victimize innocent small business owners.
I do not understand and to me, it is great contradiction of each other?

if the protestors vandalize and loot, who will enforce that if the Police Departments stand down?

Doesn't make sense?
 
Old 08-22-2014, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by Speleothem View Post
Stupid thread title.
I am a Libertarian; I an NOT an anarchist.
I just wanna be left alone, not move to Somalia.
Why can't people understand the difference between
small government and no government?
Because some peoples ideologies/agendas require a strict all or nothing thought process.

If your against the ACA then you want to throw Grandma off a cliff.
If your for welfare reform then you want children starving in the streets.

If you want smaller, less intrusive government then you must be an Anarchist.

It's really all stems from the same low brow, lack of critical thinking skills and blind allegiance to big government, nanny state liberalism.
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