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We had no standing army in North Vietnam. Vietnam and ISIS in Iraq are apples and oranges on so many levels there is no comparison. For one thing, We have the Peshmerga to do the heavy lifting as far as boots on the ground. We don't need to carpet bomb Mosul or Baghdad. We need intelligence where their first, second and third echelon leaders are and then just take them out with targeted strikes. There will be no fallout if some civilians die in Iraq as collateral damage. They don't even blink when another bomb goes off in a marketplace and kills hundreds. The're so used to it, they consider it the cost of doing business. That goes for Sunni and Shiite.
There will be no large occupying American force in Iraq, again.........period..........That is the one thing Obama will not let happen on his watch.
We have no standing army in Iraq anymore either. We had the South Vietnamese Army in South Vietnam and they were capable fighters as well. Obama only has two more years in office. He may try to just contain ISIS until he leaves office. I really don't have any hopes of his getting engaged enough to actually win any conflict. My faith in Obama is zero.
We have no standing army in Iraq anymore either. We had the South Vietnamese Army in South Vietnam and they were capable fighters as well. Obama only has two more years in office. He may try to just contain ISIS until he leaves office. I really don't have any hopes of his getting engaged enough to actually win any conflict. My faith in Obama is zero.
Jeez, when you say we have no standing army in Iraq, what do you consider the Peshmerga? These guys are much more effective than a division of American troops. Especially with American support. they live there for crying out loud and it's their homeland.
And.......what is your definition of "Winning"? We will never completely annihilate the ISIS or any other terrorist group. We can only contain them.
Name me one modern terrorist group we have completely destroyed.
Hamas?
Hezbollah?
Al Qaeda?
Al Nusra?
Taliban?
More than 10 trillion dollars and countless lives have been expended trying to eliminate these groups and not one is completely destroyed, in some cases over a 50 year period.
Jeez, when you say we have no standing army in Iraq, what do you consider the Peshmerga? These guys are much more effective than a division of American troops. Especially with American support. they live there for crying out loud and it's their homeland.
And.......what is your definition of "Winning"? We will never completely annihilate the ISIS or any other terrorist group. We can only contain them.
Name me one modern terrorist group we have completely destroyed.
Hamas?
Hezbollah?
Al Qaeda?
Al Nusra?
Taliban?
More than 10 trillion dollars and countless lives have been expended trying to eliminate these groups and not one is completely destroyed, in some cases over a 50 year period.
I assumed you were speaking of a standing American army. My mistake. We had a standing American army there but that American army has been removed.
Yes, I agree. My original post stated my position. My stated position was: Give the military commanders the means necessary at their disposal and the authority to seek out and destroy ISIS wherever it is found regardless to any borders or jurisdictions. If we are not fully prepared to enter into any conflict with the purpose of winning said conflict, then do not send our military men and women into harm's way with their hands tied behind their backs.
I assumed you were speaking of a standing American army. My mistake. We had a standing American army there but that American army has been removed.
Yes, I agree. My original post stated my position. My stated position was: Give the military commanders the means necessary at their disposal and the authority to seek out and destroy ISIS wherever it is found regardless to any borders or jurisdictions. If we are not fully prepared to enter into any conflict with the purpose of winning said conflict, then do not send our military men and women into harm's way with their hands tied behind their backs.
I too agree. If I'd known how the war was going to be conducted in Vietnam by our politicians, I would have refused to go. In the end, I fought for the man next to me and not for the Republic of South Vietnam nor for the politicians back home.
Just want to go on record as saying that if Obama decides to take out ISIS by putting troops on the ground, I would 100% support him in that endeavor..
Sending other people's sons brothers husbands and friends to a **** hole country? No thank you.
President Obama will fight a political correct war, there would be radical change of rules of engagement. More American soldiers, Marines etc would die in combat. I've seen many of them suffer when they came back from the previous war. Many of them suffer from PTSD, (Not all, but a great numbers of them do) Have you seen the young military folks in VA hospital?
It is a lot easier being an armchair warrior hiding behind a computer. (This statement was not directed at op. I do respect op, but my conscious doesn't allow me to send my friends to combat zone. I still have many of them serving in the Marine Corps. I do believe their lives are more valuable than the terrorists)
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I've been in the military for 16 years, almost done. I can no longer celebrate Fathers Day because the memory of my friends killed in Iraq and they are not around to have their children give them crappy ties and World's Greates Dad coffee mugs anymore.
How about you step up this time?
As a former Marine machingegunner we are not capable of fighting the way we should be fighting. The world has changed, no more sacrificing my boys for other people's problems.
Just want to go on record as saying that if Obama decides to take out ISIS by putting troops on the ground, I would 100% support him in that endeavor.
Even if things were to go south later, I would not second guess him and anklebite like the liberals have done with President Bush's decision to invade Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11.
I too agree. If I'd known how the war was going to be conducted in Vietnam by our politicians, I would have refused to go. In the end, I fought for the man next to me and not for the Republic of South Vietnam nor for the politicians back home.
I hear you loud and clear on that one. I was too young to go but I knew some of the guys who came back either maimed or in caskets.
I too agree. If I'd known how the war was going to be conducted in Vietnam by our politicians, I would have refused to go. In the end, I fought for the man next to me and not for the Republic of South Vietnam nor for the politicians back home.
The "stabbed in the back" meme is getting old
The politicians are not the reason we lost in.Vietnam.
We lost because fighting guerrilla warfare (which we suck at) on your enemy's own territory is ALWAYS a losing gambit. You can't win it.
[quote=Unconcerned;36209317]Now where in the world did you come up with "grassroots religious movement"? This is Obama's war now. It is Obama's Secretary of Defense, Obama's Secretary of State, etc. Bush and Cheney are long gone. I would call this one a far left wing liberal war.[/QUOTE
You misunderstand. "grassroots religious movement" is the ISIS the poster was referring to. How long do we have to stay their so they don't come back. That was the posters question. The point being, we can beat any army in the world but we are lousy at occupying other nations. Especially over the long term.
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