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We already have spotters on the ground embedded with the PeshMerga. They light up the ISII targets with infrared for pinpoint accuracy and directly communicate with our air power. We just added 130 more around Baghdad a short time ago.
Your quote; "We end up with more Americans in a position where they are outnumbered, surrounded by people that may well be ISIS or at least ISIS supporters, vulnerable to being attacked or kidnapped, and out of range of help and support."
Isn't that the position all our Special Forces, Delta teams and Seal teams have always be confronted with. That situation is exactly what they train for.
Reminds me of the line in "Band of Brothers"
Lieutenant: "We are totally surrounded here in Bastogne."
Sargent: "We're paratroopers, sir. Were supposed to be surrounded."
I know, and I have a great deal of respect for the courage of the men serving in that roll. I simply believe it's a mistake to put them in that position for the sake of the people of the ME.
I know, and I have a great deal of respect for the courage of the men serving in that roll. I simply believe it's a mistake to put them in that position for the sake of the people of the ME.
It was reported by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel just this morning that ISIS now has an 80K man army. At what point would you consider beginning a campaign to destroy them? Would you wait until they could muster a 200K man army and an Air Force capability before you committed ground troops or would you simply wait until they made an attack on American soil regardless to how big an army they could muster against our ground troops?
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Just to set the record straight, it was President Clinton (D) who made the official US policy in Iraq, one of regime change. It was eight yeras of President Clinton that bult up the case that Saddam had WMDs, was vigorosly pursuing a nuclear bomb.
Do we really need to keep proving the leftist, democrat meme wrong, that is was just President Bush and Republicans making the claims of Saddam, his WMDs and his desire to use them?
Priorities and threat assessment should have changed on 9/11/2001, unfortunately they didn't.
It was reported by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel just this morning that ISIS now has an 80K man army. At what point would you consider beginning a campaign to destroy them? Would you wait until they could muster a 200K man army and an Air Force capability before you committed ground troops or would you simply wait until they made an attack on American soil regardless to how big an army they could muster against our ground troops?
I'll worry when they get some aircraft carriers, ICBMs, and strategic bombers. Until then, there is little we can do to stop them from terrorist attacks on US soil but be vigilant. Renewed intervention in the ME will serve their purpose more than our own. The NSA and CIA and not DoD are the agencies we will find most useful in protecting us in today's world.
I know, and I have a great deal of respect for the courage of the men serving in that roll. I simply believe it's a mistake to put them in that position for the sake of the people of the ME.
I understand your viewpoint and up to a short time ago, I believed the same thing. My attitude was, Not for any reason do we need to send our sons and daughters to die there.
But ISIS/ISIL are pure evil. They will spread like wildfire throughout the ME, Europe and elsewhere if they are not contained. All those who have access to intelligence acknowledge the fact that ISIS must be dealt with.
The last thing Obama wanted to do was get embroiled in another ME conflict but even he see's there is no other option. We contain them now, we minimize their impact on the rest of the world. We don't, and we and the rest of the world lose big time and they control the playing field and can attack anywhere at will.
Great Britain, Germany, France and some other countries are coordinating with us as we speak to send Special Ops to Kurdistan. Everyone wants to understudy with us on how to fight this new type of warfare, where there are no standard army divisions involved. Our forces must be just as fast and mobile as the enemy in this fight. We already have a loyal standing army in the Kurdish Peshmerga. We will not occupy. We will consult, direct, support and coordinate our superior technology with the Peshmerga in conjunction with highly trained, small teams of professional killers.
I greatly respect your position but unfortunately, the wheels are already in motion on an international level.
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It was reported by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel just this morning that ISIS now has an 80K man army. At what point would you consider beginning a campaign to destroy them? Would you wait until they could muster a 200K man army and an Air Force capability before you committed ground troops or would you simply wait until they made an attack on American soil regardless to how big an army they could muster against our ground troops?
We've also heard glowing reports from the DoD of just how well training of the Iraqi Army had been going yet when ISIS appeared that allegedly trained army turned tail and ran. Lots of war-drum beating hype comes from the Pentagon. And just how do you believe ISIS would muster an air force capablility?
I'll worry when they get some aircraft carriers, ICBMs, and strategic bombers. Until then, there is little we can do to stop them from terrorist attacks on US soil but be vigilant. Intervention will serve their purpose more than our own. The NSA and CIA and not DoD are the agencies we will find most useful in protecting us in today's world.
So you are comfortable with ISIS taking over the remainder of the Iraqi oil fields and adding millions of dollars more per day to fund their army? The NSA and CIA only gather intel and many times that intel is virtually worthless or too late in gathering. Where was the NSA and CIA when the twin towers went down? Where were they when those Boston Bombers struck?
So you are comfortable with ISIS taking over the remainder of the Iraqi oil fields and adding millions of dollars more per day to fund their army? The NSA and CIA only gather intel and many times that intel is virtually worthless or too late in gathering. Where was the NSA and CIA when the twin towers went down? Where were they when those Boston Bombers struck?
I have no problem. It is their country not ours. We do not need their oil. China does. Let China do something. As for CIA/NSA they have thwarted far, far more acts of terror than have gotten by them.
We've also heard glowing reports from the DoD of just how well training of the Iraqi Army had been going yet when ISIS appeared that allegedly trained army turned tail and ran. Lots of war-drum beating hype comes from the Pentagon. And just how do you believe ISIS would muster an air force capablility?
They are taking in $2 Million a day now from the two oil fields they just captured. They can buy old aircraft from Iran. We gave Iran lots of jet fighters and other aircraft. Russia might eventually supply them.
Yes, the Iraqis surrendered to our own military without hardly any fight at all but that does not address the issues.
They are taking in $2 Million a day now from the two oil fields they just captured. They can buy old aircraft from Iran. We gave Iran lots of jet fighters and other aircraft. Russia might eventually supply them.
Yes, the Iraqis surrendered to our own military without hardly any fight at all but that does not address the issues.
Good grief. Do you know anything about the geopolitics of the area? Iran is not an ally of ISIS, for heaven's sake.
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