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Old 08-27-2014, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Central Nebraska
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Liberals like to tell us that the cause of crime, violence, and terrorism is Poverty and the Answer is to take money away from the Rich and give it to the Poor.

May I suggest it's the other way around?

May I suggest that Violence is the cause of Poverty.

Who wants to open a business and create jobs in an area where you're guaranteed to be robbed, your property vandalized, and your life placed in danger?
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK/Swanage, UK
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Or could poverty be the cause of Violence?
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:14 AM
 
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How about getting some actual facts to prove your ideas rather than guesses?

...or are facts and evidence too liberal?
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:20 AM
 
Location: The analog world
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I think there are potentially a few different causes of violence, but the biggest one is fear. When it comes to money, surrounding ourselves with things or the ability to buy those things provides a sense of security. Fear of losing that security can cause us to lash out at other people, and it can be experienced by people at all income levels.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Central Nebraska
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How about getting some actual facts to prove your ideas rather than guesses?

...or are facts and evidence too liberal?
Are you saying we need to conduct studies to find out if people avoid places where they get mugged, beaten, and robbed?
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:39 AM
 
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Are you saying we need to conduct studies to find out if people avoid places where they get mugged, beaten, and robbed?
You made claims, prove them. Simple as that. I said nothing but give people facts to justify your beliefs.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:41 AM
 
Location: US
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One of the voir dire questions to a potential jury in a criminal case, in my area at least, where an individual living in poverty commits a crime is if the potential juror believes one's living conditions, poverty, can lead to crimes committed out of desperation.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:45 AM
 
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Liberals like to tell us that the cause of crime, violence, and terrorism is Poverty and the Answer is to take money away from the Rich and give it to the Poor.

May I suggest it's the other way around?

May I suggest that Violence is the cause of Poverty.

Who wants to open a business and create jobs in an area where you're guaranteed to be robbed, your property vandalized, and your life placed in danger?
Ignorance is the cause of poverty. Period.
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Old 08-27-2014, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Buckeye
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How about getting some actual facts to prove your ideas rather than guesses?

...or are facts and evidence too liberal?
Poverty increased substantially during the economic meltdown which began in 2008 (this is a fact). At the same time crime rates have decreased (this is also a fact). Can we say then that increased poverty "causes" a reduction in crime? Of course not. Nor can we say since there are higher crime rates in areas of deprivation that poverty "causes" crime. Just because two things happen simultaneously does not mean one "causes" the other.

In areas of deprivation (inner cities) there is more likely to be criminal behavior because of the sense of hopelessness. "What do I have to lose" might be the thinking of those immersed in the culture of deprivation.

There are communities where population density is extremely high, as is the rate of poverty, yet these same areas do not show higher crime rates. There was a white paper published following the study of one such community: San Francisco's China town. A major difference between a community such as China town and today's inner cities is the structure of the family. Asians tend to have stronger family structures than African Americans (or whites).

Last edited by GeneR; 08-27-2014 at 07:11 AM.. Reason: sentence structure
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Old 08-27-2014, 07:13 AM
 
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Are you saying we need to conduct studies to find out if people avoid places where they get mugged, beaten, and robbed?
I live in Denmark, where ghettoization is avoided at all costs. High income and low income people live next to each other-- cities are planned that way.

In America, poverty is a lifestyle, with gated communities separating the rich from reality and ghettos teaching the poor how to be criminals and victims of crime.

Denmark's murder rate is almost one fifth of the USA's.

The US is moving in a direction opposite to the one it should be, and it's all because of the conservative right, their racism, their classism, their corruption and their resistance to socialist policies. The USA isn't a community, and most people don't want it to be... they want to live in their own little bubbles, ignore anyone who isn't like them, and the solution to social problems is prisons and police instead of social programs and reorganizing society.
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