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Old 09-12-2014, 09:29 PM
 
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Russia, us, and....I think Britain made a deal saying we would respect their territory in exchange for them getting rid of their nuclear weapons. I'd suggest that deal isn't working, and we should return some nuclear weapons to them.....
You do realize Ukraine is an unstable country that has gone through two revolts in the last ten years? You want nukes in a country which could have an anti-US/West regime at any moment? You do realize where many nukes originally were? That is right, in rebel held territory.

Ukraine cannot even afford the gas bill, let alone maintain and secure nukes. Nukes to threaten Russia would require medium range delivery, in which no European country is ever going to allow that, Europe would attack Ukraine before it ever allowed Ukraine to obtain nukes.
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:34 PM
 
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And the plot thickens....

Russia vows to adopt beefed up new military doctrine over Ukraine crisis - Telegraph

West does have to realize Russia is fearful of having Western powers on it's borders... much like the west is fearful of Russian power on it's borders. Kind of a sticky wicket...
Not so much on its borders, the area is not new to invasions or anything, but Ukraine specifically. Ukraine is the line in the sand for Russia's national security, this would be the equivalent of Mexico all of a sudden siding with China, and China potentially hosting military bases there; what would the US response be?
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:36 PM
 
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Except that the West does not believe the solution is to invade the country next door to remove the threat, oh wait then there would still be another Nation after that and so on and so on until tada, world domination. Then they can start dealing with their internal threats, 1984 anyone?
The US was built around the Monroe doctrine; the US already secured its borders, yet are surprised when others do the same.
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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Lost, like the hundreds of Ukrainian troops that entered Russia? Oh wait, those troops were running for safety away from the rebels; hard pressed to state "Russia is invading" when Ukraine's own troops fled to Russia for safety.
The western propaganda did say nothing about it. So the mesmerized sheeple won't believe you. LOL.
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:40 PM
 
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His vision is clouded by his vision to restore 1960's Russia, very sentimental but the Oligarchs aren't happy. They are taklng a beating financially, Putin is ignoring the impact for now but eventually they will end up on the short end.
1960's Russia, really? When it was a mere republic within the USSR and led by a Ukrainian along with several top posts held by Ukrainians? Just one decade out from the end of its people being butchered by a guy from Georgia?
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Old 09-12-2014, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Arizona
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Personally, I'm still waiting for the invasion to begin. Oh, gee, maybe tomorrow!

Seriously, how long will it take for the American people to realize that this whole situation is a set-up to persuade the American people to belive that this fictional account of invasion is true? The answer is... never.

How long will it take for the American people to realize that people have taken over our country from the inside through special interest persuasion, and greed and corruption is collapsing the foundation of freedom that we once enjoyed? Answer....a long time, if ever.

This Ukraine thing is much bigger and more complex than most people realize. The economic hold that the west has enjoyed for a hundred years is collapsing. The oil companies of the west realize that their time of controlling the petroleum of the world is coming to an end, and they see Russia and the BRICS nations as a major threat. The oligarchs of the west are realizing that they have but a few years to regain complete control, or they will lose it for good, and they are willing to risk, and even instigate war, on a large scale to save their interests, even if it eventually ruins much of the world in the process. The Ukraine is indeed, a pivotal location to draw a line in the sand on these things, and the west wants to have Ukraine as another place that they can surround Russia with weaponry.

And speaking of weaponry, the western military/industrial complex needs wars to justify the production of their goods. I should say weapons. This is a huge operation, and these people are not below instigating wars to keep weapons in demand. Vietnam, Grenada, Yemen, Somalia, The Balkans, Iraq, Libya, now Syria, Isis, and the final objective...Iran. This is done through political contribution and armtwisting, greed, and corruption at the highest levels. Anyone that doesn't see this...well, I've got some swamp land for sale... President Eisenhower told us in his last speech to be prepared for this eventuality, but no one listened, nor was anyone able to stop this inevitability. The USA has become a war machine for the special interests of the rich men of the west. The US government has become the leader that promotes the sacrifice of the innocent for the advancement of an agenda that is against the Constitution and the principles that our founding fathers wanted for us to have forever as a nation. And last, but not least, the American public has become ignorant, in that they receive very little news outside of the controlled media outlets, and the young of our nation have grown up in an age where they have been dumbed down since birth, and they think it to be "normal" for us to be living in a society that is under almost total surveilance, and the biggest thing that they know is how to hold an iPhone in front of their face all day.

Like I said before, just where is that invasion??
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Old 09-13-2014, 07:40 AM
 
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Personally, I'm still waiting for the invasion to begin. Oh, gee, maybe tomorrow!

Seriously, how long will it take for the American people to realize that this whole situation is a set-up to persuade the American people to belive that this fictional account of invasion is true? The answer is... never.

How long will it take for the American people to realize that people have taken over our country from the inside through special interest persuasion, and greed and corruption is collapsing the foundation of freedom that we once enjoyed? Answer....a long time, if ever.

This Ukraine thing is much bigger and more complex than most people realize. The economic hold that the west has enjoyed for a hundred years is collapsing. The oil companies of the west realize that their time of controlling the petroleum of the world is coming to an end, and they see Russia and the BRICS nations as a major threat. The oligarchs of the west are realizing that they have but a few years to regain complete control, or they will lose it for good, and they are willing to risk, and even instigate war, on a large scale to save their interests, even if it eventually ruins much of the world in the process. The Ukraine is indeed, a pivotal location to draw a line in the sand on these things, and the west wants to have Ukraine as another place that they can surround Russia with weaponry.

And speaking of weaponry, the western military/industrial complex needs wars to justify the production of their goods. I should say weapons. This is a huge operation, and these people are not below instigating wars to keep weapons in demand. Vietnam, Grenada, Yemen, Somalia, The Balkans, Iraq, Libya, now Syria, Isis, and the final objective...Iran. This is done through political contribution and armtwisting, greed, and corruption at the highest levels. Anyone that doesn't see this...well, I've got some swamp land for sale... President Eisenhower told us in his last speech to be prepared for this eventuality, but no one listened, nor was anyone able to stop this inevitability. The USA has become a war machine for the special interests of the rich men of the west. The US government has become the leader that promotes the sacrifice of the innocent for the advancement of an agenda that is against the Constitution and the principles that our founding fathers wanted for us to have forever as a nation. And last, but not least, the American public has become ignorant, in that they receive very little news outside of the controlled media outlets, and the young of our nation have grown up in an age where they have been dumbed down since birth, and they think it to be "normal" for us to be living in a society that is under almost total surveilance, and the biggest thing that they know is how to hold an iPhone in front of their face all day.

Like I said before, just where is that invasion??
Agreed 100%! And I just want to add my 2 cents to it.
US national debt is almost $18 trillion! It's an astronomic amount and it is keep growing hour by hour.
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
And to save the dollar pyramid scheme from collapse, the US instigates coups and wars on the globe allegedly for the liberty and democracy sake. Thousands innocent peaceful civilians were murdered for these fake slogans that have nothing to do with the reality. After american "help" those countries are ruined, but dollar is strengthening. The US is assigning "the bad guys" who actually are the good guys, and so called free western news outlets (which are under control of the big corporations) are misinterpreting and perverting facts and are lying. And they doing it very convincingly.

Ukraine? This is another bloody project of the american piratic foreign policy. Ukraine is a new hostage of the american interests. The US intentionally destabilises situation in Ukraine to quarrel the EU with Russia, to weaken their economics and to get the european market. The US is the only country who wants a good war in the region. The US is the only country who will benefit from it. But Russia is the only real friend to ukrainian people. And all accusations against Russia that based on lies, fakes and inventions are just an essential part of this criminal policy.
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Old 09-13-2014, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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1960's Russia, really? When it was a mere republic within the USSR and led by a Ukrainian along with several top posts held by Ukrainians? Just one decade out from the end of its people being butchered by a guy from Georgia?
You've made a lot of good posts here, man. People are so uninformed, and strongly biased from the outset, yet convinced of their rightness...it's great to see a light shined on their ignorance.
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Old 09-13-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Trieste
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this is nice

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Old 09-13-2014, 12:04 PM
 
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this is nice
Ha-ha-ha!
Russia threatens all these american and NATO' military bases.
But seriously, we clearly can see on the map who are the real agressor and invader.
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