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Old 09-02-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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Let's see some facts to back it up.


The same USA that won't allow any LNG exports?


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Haven Energy Terminals LLC plans to invest about $275 million to build and operate a propane and butane export terminal at the Port of Longview in Longview, Wash., the company announced. Haven Energy would lease the port property to accommodate a rail-unloading facility, storage tanks and a vessel-loading area, according to a press release. Product would arrive at the terminal...



Phillips 66 to build $1 billion LPG export terminal

HOUSTON — Phillips 66 is planning to build a liquefied petroleum gas export terminal in Freeport, Texas, a $1 billion push to tap international markets for refined products used in gasoline blending and heating, the company said Thursday.

The Houston-based oil refiner said it plans to assemble an export capacity of 4.4 million barrels per month by 2016, about the size of eight very large gas carries. That’s nearly a fourth of the capacity that two proposed Enterprise Products Partners LPG terminals in the Gulf Coast are expected to have in late 2015.

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LNG and LPG are not the same.

LNG is Liquid Natural Gas
LPG is Propane and Butane
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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NATO has been kicked around like a coward dog for 30 years
No longer a viable guard dog he is toothless and will not bite and they know it
Really? Seems like it was not the West or NATO that crumbled over the last 30 years, that description sounds more like the East and particularly the place that was once known as the USSR. Who has pushed them around, do you have actual events to discuss or are you just wishing things would be the way you believe they should be? You seem to forget who is the main member of NATO and the last few places that got bitten hard, ask the Serbs and there are few countries in the middle-east that can provide a description of the bite. If Russia is so strong why it they have several revolutions going on at this time and they cannot seem to win any of those? You might want to rethink who is holding the stronger hand and who is bluffing.
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:58 AM
 
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Funny how some also seem to forget that Putin is facing Several Nations that also have Nukes, and they have fewer targets to concentrate on.
Heck my guess is half of the Nukes Russia has would probably blow in their own silos if someone attempted to launch them.
I wouldn't doubt that for a minute - the very same could easily be true of the USA Nukes. I don't think the Putin Bluster about "his Nukes" has anything at all to do with an 'intention', or even a real 'threat' ..... it's a game he is playing to try and embarrass the USA.

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None of his submarines would ever be allowed to launch.
Google is your friend. Russian nuclear sub off the US East Coast in 2009 & 2012 (those are the ones that were spotted for sure) and a recent Russian spy ship just last month.

Google search- Russian submarine East Coast
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:20 PM
 
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I wouldn't doubt that for a minute - the very same could easily be true of the USA Nukes. I don't think the Putin Bluster about "his Nukes" has anything at all to do with an 'intention', or even a real 'threat' ..... it's a game he is playing to try and embarrass the USA.
The US will have no problem playing their nuke card if needed, that said it is all bluster from the leader of a Nation that cannot even put down revolutions within his own borders.
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:20 PM
 
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Google is your friend. Russian nuclear sub off the US East Coast in 2009 & 2012 (those are the ones that were spotted for sure) and a recent Russian spy ship just last month.

Google search- Russian submarine East Coast
If one happens to be a former submarine officer, one has access to information Google may lack.

The Russians would never get a missile out of the launch tube.
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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Really? Seems like it was not the West or NATO that crumbled over the last 30 years, that description sounds more like the East and particularly the place that was once known as the USSR. Who has pushed them around, do you have actual events to discuss or are you just wishing things would be the way you believe they should be? You seem to forget who is the main member of NATO and the last few places that got bitten hard, ask the Serbs and there are few countries in the middle-east that can provide a description of the bite. If Russia is so strong why it they have several revolutions going on at this time and they cannot seem to win any of those? You might want to rethink who is holding the stronger hand and who is bluffing.
The thing is ..... we are talking about a NATO of 'today' and a USA of 'today' -- not the NATO and USA of 30 years ago. NATO has problems and so does the USA. The World is what it is, not what some would wish it to be.

Unprotected in the East: NATO Appears Toothless in Ukraine Crisis - If Russia were to engage in military aggression in the Baltics, NATO would be unable to defend the region using conventional means. An internal report highlights weaknesses in the alliance. DER SPIEGEL - 5/19/14

AND

Putin Has Exposed NATO's Weakness - Bloomberg News 3/23/14

AND

Europe Projects Only Weakness to Putin - Businessweek - May 1, 2014

The biggest show of weakness (IMO) is that NATO announced all these "future plans" they had to stop the Russian aggression. They would place troops in Poland and around the Baltic as a 'show of force' to make Putin think twice about aggression. Putin moved his troops into the Ukraine a little over 24 hours after the big NATO announcement.

I'm not sure that many remember what NATO was all about and how much Putin & the USSR hated the very idea of NATO.
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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Ukraine is not a member of NATO. NATO technically should be doing nothing. NATO's mission is defense of NATO's members and nothing else.

The Ukraine should be planning an Afghanistan style response to Russia. Russia has very little staying power. Bleed them with an insurgency and they will leave.
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Old 09-02-2014, 12:56 PM
 
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Putin is pandering to his own people many of whom feel better about themselves when Putin talks tough.

How about we put Putin on " ignore" ?
He HAS been on ignore, and he knows it. That's the problem.
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Old 09-02-2014, 01:02 PM
 
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Now Putin is boasting about invading and taking Kiev in two weeks. Russia is a greater threat than ISIS. We need to bomb them.
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Old 09-02-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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What's up with this " do something" stuff?

Should the US react every time Putin unzips his fly?
Should we have responded when Hitler invaded Poland?
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