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Old 09-01-2014, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
How do you know what a turtle mistakes a bag for? Have you asked one? Just kidding, but we were told in the beginning that these bags were "biodegradable" and would not hurt the environment. Guess that was a lie.
Everything is biodegradable eventually that may be too late, go eat one and tell us how long it takes. Anyway not all are degradable and people just let these fly around, maybe if they charged a dollar deposit.
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Old 09-01-2014, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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I know y'all just HATE blogs, but here is one you should read:
Reusable grocery canvass bags are bacteria farms. Stop using them.

Here's another:
Freakonomics » The Downside of Reusable Grocery Bags

and a newspaper article:
Freakonomics » The Downside of Reusable Grocery Bags

The point being, if you use reusable bags, WASH AND SANITIZE them so they won't make you and your family sick!
Would you REALLY put fresh meat and seafood in a cloth bag, then use it the next week for fresh vegetables without washing it?
Would you REALLY put fresh vegetables in a bag that has been kicked around on the floor of your car for several days, or laying in the trunk for days?
THINK, people!
Overlooked in this argument is the real cost of reusable bags versus one use only bags. Both monetary and environmental costs.

First off, there is no such thing as a one use bag. All bags are reusable, some just more than others. There have been plenty of posts in this thread talking about secondary uses for both paper and plastic.

But let me present the components of cost of reusable bags.

1) you must purchase a reusable.

2) depending upon how much you pay, you get more or fewer uses. Some of those 1.99 bags dont look like they will hold up for very many uses, particularly if you are washing them often enough to prevent bacteria buildup.

3) there is a cost to laundering those reusable bags. More water usage. More soap. More electricity. More gas. A lot more if you are using the dryer to dry them. This means more cost to the consumer, and more cost to the environment.

This is something the purveyors of reusables seem never to have figured into their calculations. Not surprising at all. To them everything is feel good instant gratification. The environmentalists are the ones who forced us into plastics in the first place because they wanted to "save the trees". Now they are trying to force us into reusables, which we pay for in more ways than one.
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The stores will still have plastic bags only they won't be free anymore.

It's really a ban on free plastic bags.
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:37 AM
 
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Meh, California still has nothing on the libby lib bastion that is... Rwanda.

Plastic bags are good for picking-up after the dog on walks. Otherwise my household have given them up for reusable bags that can hold a lot more groceries and keep nicely in the trunk of the car.
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:50 AM
 
Location: NJ
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"The California state legislature enacted a ban on plastic grocery bags on Friday near the end of its two-year session, a measure that if signed into law would become the first of its kind in America.

The measure would ban grocery stores from handing out single-use grocery bags with customers’ purchases, and provide money to local plastic bag companies to retool to make heavier, multiple-use bags that customers could buy."

California passes plastic bag ban, would be first such law in U.S.

Good for California. I hope other states follow suit. Those single use bags make up a significant portion of the litter along the roadways. More than 10 billion of these bags are used in California alone every year. Multiply that by 50 states and the resulting amount of un-recyclable litter they create is a massive problem.

I've been using cloth bags at the grocery store for 10 years now. I don't see the problem with this.
Paper bags went away partially because plastic bags were reusable.
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Overlooked in this argument is the real cost of reusable bags versus one use only bags. Both monetary and environmental costs.

First off, there is no such thing as a one use bag. All bags are reusable, some just more than others. There have been plenty of posts in this thread talking about secondary uses for both paper and plastic.

But let me present the components of cost of reusable bags.

1) you must purchase a reusable.

2) depending upon how much you pay, you get more or fewer uses. Some of those 1.99 bags dont look like they will hold up for very many uses, particularly if you are washing them often enough to prevent bacteria buildup.

3) there is a cost to laundering those reusable bags. More water usage. More soap. More electricity. More gas. A lot more if you are using the dryer to dry them. This means more cost to the consumer, and more cost to the environment.

This is something the purveyors of reusables seem never to have figured into their calculations. Not surprising at all. To them everything is feel good instant gratification. The environmentalists are the ones who forced us into plastics in the first place because they wanted to "save the trees". Now they are trying to force us into reusables, which we pay for in more ways than one.
In Cambodia, in the late 70s, they used so many plastic bags they had to import them special from China.
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Old 09-01-2014, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by chuckmann View Post
Overlooked in this argument is the real cost of reusable bags versus one use only bags. Both monetary and environmental costs.

First off, there is no such thing as a one use bag. All bags are reusable, some just more than others. There have been plenty of posts in this thread talking about secondary uses for both paper and plastic.

But let me present the components of cost of reusable bags.

1) you must purchase a reusable.

2) depending upon how much you pay, you get more or fewer uses. Some of those 1.99 bags dont look like they will hold up for very many uses, particularly if you are washing them often enough to prevent bacteria buildup.

3) there is a cost to laundering those reusable bags. More water usage. More soap. More electricity. More gas. A lot more if you are using the dryer to dry them. This means more cost to the consumer, and more cost to the environment.

This is something the purveyors of reusables seem never to have figured into their calculations. Not surprising at all. To them everything is feel good instant gratification. The environmentalists are the ones who forced us into plastics in the first place because they wanted to "save the trees". Now they are trying to force us into reusables, which we pay for in more ways than one.
Right...it will cost you so much more if you toss them in with your regular laundry. How does that work, exactly?
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Old 09-01-2014, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Right...it will cost you so much more if you toss them in with your regular laundry. How does that work, exactly?
There are always trade off costs.

Nothing is 0 cost.

On the other hand companies that make these plastic bags have found a new outlet in retail directly to individuals now.

So rather than pay $.50 or $1.00 per bag, go up to Amazon and buy a box of 900 shopping bags for under $20.

That's my plan..a box of plastic bags kept in the truck.
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Old 09-01-2014, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Does anybody have any idea what is made from recycled plastic bags and plastic bottles?
What will YOU lose if such bags and bottles are eliminated?
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Old 09-01-2014, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Cloth shopping bags should come with a little packet of tissue to help right-wingers cope.
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