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You make some good points, but I can't agree when you say Islam is mostly a good thing. It isn't, it's just a "thing"- good doesn't come into it. As long as people literally believe in absurd claims, they always have the potential to act on those absurd claims.
I'm not saying Islam is a good thing, in fact it would be better if we lived in a world without religion, like John Lennon suggested. But I'm saying that most people with an Islamic faith are not radical and are good people who want to get on with their lives... Whats wrong with that?
As for people that go out to the middle east in support of terrorists then I now think that it is the right thing to keep them out of the country. After all we can't have an increased risk of extremism on our hands...
I'm not saying Islam is a good thing, in fact it would be better if we lived in a world without religion, like John Lennon suggested. But I'm saying that most people with an Islamic faith are not radical and are good people who want to get on with their lives... Whats wrong with that?
Because Islam is a culture, as well as a religion, and one that I don't think is compatible with the West.
Maybe western values will continue to dilute islam in the West, into a house trained religion like christianity, but even so, I prefer Islam as a tiny percent of the population
Anyone born in the US or naturalized in the US that takes up arms with terrorists automatically loses their US citizenship and is considered a traitor.
Without the due process of the law?
I am shocked to see 90% of people voted yes. This tells me how ignorant people are and how willingly they want to give up their liberty for some perception of safety or security.
Nobody should lose their citizenship without the due process of the law. We should not allow some government official to decide arbitrarily that certain citizens should lose their citizenship.
I am shocked to see 90% of people voted yes. This tells me how ignorant people are and how willingly they want to give up their liberty for some perception of safety or security.
Nobody should lose their citizenship without the due process of the law. We should not allow some government official to decide arbitrarily that certain citizens should lose their citizenship.
Absolutely, and if found guilty, then stripped of their citizenship. Doesn't apply to the majority of peaceful Muslims everywhere.
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Originally Posted by Joe90
You make some good points, but I can't agree when you say Islam is mostly a good thing. It isn't, it's just a "thing"- good doesn't come into it. As long as people literally believe in absurd claims, they always have the potential to act on those absurd claims.
People aren't good because they were raised a muslim, christian etc. They just good people. As a culture, I don't see Islam having anything worthwhile to offer the west, and it stands in stark contrast.
The vast majority of Muslims are great citizens, but I would agree with you, as Religion, Islam offers the West very little. Apparently when their numbers get high enough you start seeing major issues as seen in England and France.
Whats interesting is as the West becomes a more non religious, those who practice Islam appear to be more feverant in their beliefs. We have a separation between church and state, while they strive to put religion in control of the state!
The vast majority of Muslims are great citizens, but I would agree with you, as Religion, Islam offers the West very little. Apparently when their numbers get high enough you start seeing major issues as seen in England and France.
Just looked at some stats. The 2001 census showed the around 72% of residence where Christian and around 3% were Muslim. Whereas the 2011 census shows that only around 60% of the British population are Christian and Islam is around 4.5%. This goes to show that we do have an increasing population of Muslims coming into this country. However, who can blame them, there trying to find a better life to live. The only people who are responsible for mass immigration into this country is the government, so it's the govs thought for why Britain is so overcrowded! But as I say again, most Muslims are good people!
On a side track. It's also interesting how the non-religious percentage has grown to: in 2001 only 15% of UK residence were Non-Religious and in 2011 26% of the country is non-religious! This is a step in the right direction, though would rather 100% of non-religious UK citizens by 2021, then we would become better and learn to tolerate each other more! Just like what John Lennon said... (what a dream...)
Just looked at some stats. The 2001 census showed the around 72% of residence where Christian and around 3% were Muslim. Whereas the 2011 census shows that only around 60% of the British population are Christian and Islam is around 4.5%. This goes to show that we do have an increasing population of Muslims coming into this country. However, who can blame them, there trying to find a better life to live. The only people who are responsible for mass immigration into this country is the government, so it's the govs thought for why Britain is so overcrowded! But as I say again, most Muslims are good people!
On a side track. It's also interesting how the non-religious percentage has grown to: in 2001 only 15% of UK residence were Non-Religious and in 2011 26% of the country is non-religious! This is a step in the right direction, though would rather 100% of non-religious UK citizens by 2021, then we would become better and learn to tolerate each other more! Just like what John Lennon said... (what a dream...)
Unfortunately, having a less religious majority with a more religious minority is not a recipe for tolerance.
Yea I know, 100% non-religion will never happen within the short-term...
Unless science proves it... and even then, there are still people that dismiss Darwin's theories - what uneducated people! LOL
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(what a dream...) 
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