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Old 08-31-2014, 07:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by caribdoll View Post
Please answer my questions that are based on your statements. Again...

So when you say "black people," are you excluding or including "black" Latino, Caribbean and African people?

Are you ignoring that there are people who you likely perceive as "black" that are illegal immigrants too?
As I said before....I am including BLACK AMERICAN CITIZENS. Are "black Latino, Caribbean and African people" American citizens? If yes, then they are included. If not, then they are not.
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Old 08-31-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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A lot of food ended up rotting in the field because producers were unwilling to pay in terms of wages, what it actually costs for a person to do the work and still be able to provide for themselves after working 40+ hours a week.

The food ended up rotting in the field because the producers would rather watch it rot in the field than pay what an objective wage would be to have the work done.

The food ended up rotting in the field because people shopping at grocery stores do not want to pay what it actually costs for the produce they are buying.

The food ended up rotting in the field because the producers were too cheap and incompetent to structure their business in a way that would enable them to pay a living wage for the labor that they required to keep the food from rotting in the field.
Some places they actually pay decent wages. Too many growers have come to rely on the contract labor forces that employ illegals. Most of these farm areas are interestingly enough are almost totally controlled by Republican politics whether its Texas, Yuma, Palm Springs, California Central Valley, Columbia River Basin, etc. you can go on and on. Rural Farm politics is almost always Republican unless they want another hand out.
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Old 08-31-2014, 07:46 PM
 
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A lot of food ended up rotting in the field because producers were unwilling to pay in terms of wages, what it actually costs for a person to do the work and still be able to provide for themselves after working 40+ hours a week.

The food ended up rotting in the field because the producers would rather watch it rot in the field than pay what an objective wage would be to have the work done.

The food ended up rotting in the field because people shopping at grocery stores do not want to pay what it actually costs for the produce they are buying.

The food ended up rotting in the field because the producers were too cheap and incompetent to structure their business in a way that would enable them to pay a living wage for the labor that they required to keep the food from rotting in the field.
I agree with most of what you said. However, I disagree with your third paragraph. It had nothing to do with the growers worrying that the cost of produce would go up much for the consumers. Even when they hire illegal aliens they pass little to nothing in the way of savings unto the consumers. They merely pocket the profits. No one would pay exorbant prices for produce. The growers would only charge what the market could bear. Even if those price went up a bit it would still be cheaper than paying the social costs of these illegal workers that these growers and other businesses pass on to we the taxpayer. If the truth be known we are already paying more for produce and other goods because of that.
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Old 08-31-2014, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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RAEFORD: At House of Raeford, far fewer Latino workers | Nation/World | NewsObserver.com

More repulsive liberal lies!

"We need illegal immigrants because American's won't do the work!"

As this case proves, liberals are woefully uninformed, America-hating, emotional crybabies who should NEVER be trusted to guide American policy. EVER!

And black people.....when will you folks EVER LEARN that Democrats and Liberals are NOT on your side? These are jobs your community could have taken years ago....and yet you absolutely refuse to hold Democrats accountable for WILLINGLY letting your jobs be given to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS????

Raise your hand if you're still for giving these people amnesty???

Unbelievable!



The issue is that Americans won't work for the same pay as illegals but they shouldn't have to. We have minimum wage laws here and employers are bypassing them by hiring illegals under the table (both employer and the illegals are breaking the law and taking jobs from Americans). IF there were no illegals, these jobs would pay more (and pay taxes). What's happening is the employers don't want to pay what they'd have to to get American workers so they cry that they HAVE TO HIRE ILLEGALS because LAZY Americans won't take these jobs when in reality the real problem is that Americans won't let them underpay them to do these jobs.
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Old 08-31-2014, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Originally Posted by Skydive Outlaw View Post
A lot of food ended up rotting in the field because producers were unwilling to pay in terms of wages, what it actually costs for a person to do the work and still be able to provide for themselves after working 40+ hours a week.

The food ended up rotting in the field because the producers would rather watch it rot in the field than pay what an objective wage would be to have the work done.

The food ended up rotting in the field because people shopping at grocery stores do not want to pay what it actually costs for the produce they are buying.

The food ended up rotting in the field because the producers were too cheap and incompetent to structure their business in a way that would enable them to pay a living wage for the labor that they required to keep the food from rotting in the field.
They do this to PROVE that they NEED illegals when the real problem is they don't want to pay a fair wage and they can't get away with paying Americans what they pay illegals who pay no taxes and are able to get government aid because they have no apparent income. They're cheap. An illegal can work under the table, pocket the cash and then take their government check to buy groceries and pay the rent bill. We lose at every turn when it comes to illegals. They take our jobs, put their kids in our schools without paying taxes to support them and college government aid. WHY are we putting up with this? It's high time to ship them back where they came from.
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Old 08-31-2014, 07:58 PM
 
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Raise your hand if you're still for giving these people amnesty???

Unbelievable!

It is not a partisan issue to me.
It is a Lobbyist Issue that sit on both sides like a Trojan Horse.



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Here you can see for yourself how Americans truly feel about illegal immigration. It is clear that Americans want enforcement, instead of Amnesty for illegal immigrants. Please check back often for updates and feel free to use these polls and surveys about illegal immigration in your letters to Congress, letters to candidates and campaigns, letters to the editor, books, articles, talk radio shows, and online posts!

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(Bloomberg) - Evangelical pastors, corporate leaders, elected Republican officials and small-government activists arrive in Washington next week to lobby lawmakers to revamp U.S. immigration policies before year’s end.

The “conservative fly-in†will involve about 600 people and include personal meetings with at least 80 Republican members of Congress, said Ali Noorani, an organizer of the event and executive director of the National Immigration Forum.

FAX BLAST SPECIAL: NO AMNESTY for Illegals!

The Neocon Globalists Figure why bother sealing the borders when everyone will be competing for dirt wages in this globalist utopia while they reap the rewards.
Seal Our Borders!!!
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:14 PM
 
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RAEFORD: At House of Raeford, far fewer Latino workers | Nation/World | NewsObserver.com

More repulsive liberal lies!

"We need illegal immigrants because American's won't do the work!"

As this case proves, liberals are woefully uninformed, America-hating, emotional crybabies who should NEVER be trusted to guide American policy. EVER!

And black people.....when will you folks EVER LEARN that Democrats and Liberals are NOT on your side? These are jobs your community could have taken years ago....and yet you absolutely refuse to hold Democrats accountable for WILLINGLY letting your jobs be given to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS????

Raise your hand if you're still for giving these people amnesty???

Unbelievable!

I've heard rather conservative people say the same thing. I work with someone who listens to that drug addict Limbaugh every day and he justifies his illegal gardener that way. How's that glass house treating you?

By the way, conservatives in pretty much any state with agriculture quietly support illegals. The agriculture lobby rather likes them. Oh and I took the liberty of removing the times new roman so that people can more easily read the text.
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:23 PM
 
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RAEFORD: At House of Raeford, far fewer Latino workers | Nation/World | NewsObserver.com

More repulsive liberal lies!

"We need illegal immigrants because American's won't do the work!"

As this case proves, liberals are woefully uninformed, America-hating, emotional crybabies who should NEVER be trusted to guide American policy. EVER!

And black people.....when will you folks EVER LEARN that Democrats and Liberals are NOT on your side? These are jobs your community could have taken years ago....and yet you absolutely refuse to hold Democrats accountable for WILLINGLY letting your jobs be given to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS????

Raise your hand if you're still for giving these people amnesty???

Unbelievable!

I've heard rather conservative people say the same thing. I work with someone who listens to that drug addict Limbaugh every day and he justifies his illegal gardener that way. How's that glass house treating you?

By the way, conservatives in pretty much any state with agriculture quietly support illegals. The agriculture lobby rather likes them. Oh and I took the liberty of removing the times new roman so that people can more easily read the text.
It's not most of us regular conservatives that support illegal aliens. Only those who hire them do. As for the agriculture industry only 3% of illegals are doing those jobs.
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:26 PM
 
Location: southern california
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not only true but has caused the destruction of the trade job opportunities in america. 60 million illegals have worked their way up to traditional trade jobs and taken them over.
kidults think of traditional trade jobs as shameful work.
yet that is how our grandfathers fed us.
america does not need 20 million more managers with general ed advanced degrees. ask anybody working at starbucks with a mega student loan.
the average kidult needs to get the lead out, get a traditional trade and an air ticket to dubai or saudi arabia.
grow up time. wake wake baby child. u r 30. somebody stole your cheese while you were sleeping.
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC View Post
RAEFORD: At House of Raeford, far fewer Latino workers | Nation/World | NewsObserver.com

More repulsive liberal lies!

"We need illegal immigrants because American's won't do the work!"

As this case proves, liberals are woefully uninformed, America-hating, emotional crybabies who should NEVER be trusted to guide American policy. EVER!

And black people.....when will you folks EVER LEARN that Democrats and Liberals are NOT on your side? These are jobs your community could have taken years ago....and yet you absolutely refuse to hold Democrats accountable for WILLINGLY letting your jobs be given to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS????

Raise your hand if you're still for giving these people amnesty???

Unbelievable!

Sadly, Republicans could have handled this easily during the Bush administration. But their constituency base doesn't want illegal immigration to end either despite the rhetoric of Republicans. It's far easier to pay under the table wages without benefits to illegals who aren't going to complain about it.

So take your holier than thou right wing bs and grasp the new world order---NO ONE is on the side of the American worker.
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