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Certainly that's true, but the problem is saying that the difference in races' IQs as groups is "fixed" and therefore the lower IQ group is "genetically"inferior and not likely to succeed. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Oh, you're African-American, if you have trouble in this class,( which I expect you will), we'll send you down the hall and you can start in on the mechanic, tradesman track. Don't feel bad, most of the black kids end up doing that. " You can see how these kids won't be pushed to their potential and will give up at the first sign of adversity or think doing well in school is "acting white." Low expectations lead to low results.
The "strong genetic" racial IQ idea is insidious, harmful and almost certainly untrue. I linked to the Don Uz article and will again. Race, IQ, and Wealth | The American Conservative This bit here regarding Richard Lynn (one of the leading racialist IQ scholars), is especially interesting: Interesting that the IQ of Irish people now is essentially the same as that of the British.
I'm guessing us "Irish" also "grew up" and started taking care of business. Word is that WILL help people become smarter by cutting down the drinking, fighting and so on. It ain't all in the genes if talking about jumping IQ's 10 to 20 points from 87, the "normal IQ is about 100.
Certainly that's true, but the problem is saying that the difference in races' IQs as groups is "fixed" and therefore the lower IQ group is "genetically"inferior and not likely to succeed. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Oh, you're African-American, if you have trouble in this class,( which I expect you will), we'll send you down the hall and you can start in on the mechanic, tradesman track. Don't feel bad, most of the black kids end up doing that. " You can see how these kids won't be pushed to their potential and will give up at the first sign of adversity or think doing well in school is "acting white." Low expectations lead to low results.
The "strong genetic" racial IQ idea is insidious, harmful and almost certainly untrue. I linked to the Don Uz article and will again. Race, IQ, and Wealth | The American Conservative This bit here regarding Richard Lynn (one of the leading racialist IQ scholars), is especially interesting: Interesting that the IQ of Irish people now is essentially the same as that of the British.
You keep making these statements that makes me suspect that you're not comprehending the point about individual variation. Group averages say nothing about an individual.
Regarding the Ron Unz article: many of his points are wrong and he ignores available known science. But... his critiques are based on Richard Lynn's book, IQ and the Wealth of Nations, which is full of badly collected data to begin with. Richard Lynn collected results from numerous IQ tests, many of them not being nationally representative, and often times he even misreported results seemingly based on his own whims. His book is not well regarded, even by others that take a hereditarian stance on IQ.
I want to make a point about average IQ. It isn't static. A group's IQ can rise. In 1970, South Korea had a reported average IQ of 90. In two decades, it went up to 104. Their rise in IQ correlated almost perfectly with their rise in average height. So in a sense, Ron Unz's case that prosperity leads to a higher IQ is partially correct. Good nutrition has a positive effect on IQ. But I should emphasize that just as the South Koreans didn't grow into giants, their average IQ didn't continue to skyrocket. They have peaked out at 105-106.
For Blacks in America, their IQ has been 15 points below the White average for decades. There is no evidence that, as a group, they are severely malnourished. They have access to vitamin fortified food. They don't show stunted growth. Our government already provides them with food stamps as well as free lunch and even free breakfasts in many areas. And yet their average IQ has continuously lagged.
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For Blacks in America, their IQ has been 15 points below the White average for decades. There is no evidence that, as a group, they are severely malnourished. They have access to vitamin fortified food. They don't show stunted growth. Our government already provides them with food stamps as well as free lunch and even free breakfasts in many areas. And yet their average IQ has continuously lagged.[/quote]
Racist nonsense. First of all, more whites are on welfare and take advantage of government programs so that little slight you tried to pull is unwarranted.
Second of all, the simple fact you tie in IQ based on "race" shows that your IQ is not that high to begin with. Ironic, considering what you are posting. Humans are a race. Everything else is a different genetic background or ethnicity.
IQ, which is measured by a group of people that have been in power and measuring intelligence based on their standards, is a poor qualifier for intelligence. If I oppress a group of people for centuries and continue to strategically place them in jail, inject narcotics in their neighborhood, and foster a culture where they doubt their own ability, and then turn around and say they don't meet my standards of intelligence, is ridiculous.
You sound like you have an inferiority complex in which you feel the need to validate yourself by creating a false sense of superiority, which I suspect, has been taught to you your entire life. (Religion also reaffirms this but saying that your existence is special, and that you are life beings that are so important to the entire universe.) The simple fact is, you bleed, eat, sleep, and have desires just like any other human. Put down the ego and realize the truth. It's quite simple.
Sorry, I don't buy into this whole race IQ test theory, sounds more like someone is attempting to degrade an entire race by suggestion they are inherently less intelligent.
One would have to ask what is the basis for the difference?
All other things being equal - same income level, same neighborhood, two-parent household - when presented with this scenario where one child pulls another child's hair, why does the black child get suspended and the white child gets a time-out?
Are you honestly going to try to argue that it is due to some inherent difference in each child's nature?
Seriously?
The problem is though that's not what is happening. Also I wouldn't throw in Hispanics in your rant, their disciplinary rates are closer to the white rate than black rate.
One thing folks when harping on discipline disparities is the fact many black kids attend schools staffed mostly by blacks in districts run by blacks. Are we to believe black administrators are purposely targeting black kids because of their race?
That sounds like my super majority white high school, back in the 70's.
All high schools are substantially more prone to violence than they ever were, regardless of the racial composition of the student body. There are drugs, hard core drugs, in all high schools, regardless of racial composition. Kids lie, cheat, steal and vandalize in all schools, regardless of racial composition.
I know nothing about your school district which never stopped a CD poster from speculation.
So the black kids from low income homes were bused into these two previously stellar schools. And the schools went to hell in a handbag. Do I have this right?
Did white students suddenly stop learning when the schools became integrated?
Did white parents pull their kids out?
Did the white families move to whiter suburban pastures to avoid integration?
Did the neighborhood change over time?
I'm sorry at this point you sound like you're just making it up. Where was this violent super majority white school in the 70s?
My kids go to a California distinguished school and the minority kids there test very high. Much higher than the state average but it's an upper income area. This is a prime example of the failure of the education system in lower income areas. This will defiantly affect the future of this country (even you conservatives)...
Racist nonsense. First of all, more whites are on welfare and take advantage of government programs so that little slight you tried to pull is unwarranted.
Second of all, the simple fact you tie in IQ based on "race" shows that your IQ is not that high to begin with. Ironic, considering what you are posting. Humans are a race. Everything else is a different genetic background or ethnicity.
IQ, which is measured by a group of people that have been in power and measuring intelligence based on their standards, is a poor qualifier for intelligence. If I oppress a group of people for centuries and continue to strategically place them in jail, inject narcotics in their neighborhood, and foster a culture where they doubt their own ability, and then turn around and say they don't meet my standards of intelligence, is ridiculous.
You sound like you have an inferiority complex in which you feel the need to validate yourself by creating a false sense of superiority, which I suspect, has been taught to you your entire life. (Religion also reaffirms this but saying that your existence is special, and that you are life beings that are so important to the entire universe.) The simple fact is, you bleed, eat, sleep, and have desires just like any other human. Put down the ego and realize the truth. It's quite simple.
I don't agree completely with Supa but this a silly retort. More whites should be on welfare for the simple reason they are in the majority. Blacks make up nearly 40% of welfare recipients, in fact the last report I saw blacks were only one point behind whites.
Sorry, tough old world. Hopefully the kids from the poorer neighborhoods gain some inspirational dissatisfaction from their plight and work to make things better for their children.
That's what being an American used to be.
Many minority parents are caring and concerned enough to want better for their children. 2/3 of adult Blacks and Hispanics support school vouchers. But then they blow it by voting Democrat.
I don't agree completely with Supa but this a silly retort. More whites should be on welfare for the simple reason they are in the majority. Blacks make up nearly 40% of welfare recipients, in fact the last report I saw blacks were only one point behind whites.
They're actually one point ahead of Whites now. Blacks are the most numerous group on welfare despite being only 13.2% of the population.
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