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Old 09-09-2014, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by Ivorytickler View Post
They are supporting the particular religion in that they are providing a space for its practice. IMO, this violates the separation of church and state. If you can't put a nativity scene on government owned ground because of separation of church and state, why can you put a prayer rug on government owned ground? We have clearly stated that the government does not provide space for the practice or even display of anything having to do with religion.
Not true.

"Students' rights to initiate and participate in voluntary Bible Clubs or Prayer Groups was unequivocally resolved by the Supreme Court's decision concerning the Equal Access Act, Westside Community Schools v. Mergens. In an 8 to 1 decision, the Mergens Court held that the Equal Access Act which requires public schools to allow student-initiated Bible Clubs or prayer groups equal access to meet on campus, is Constitutional."

Student Bible Clubs & Religious Use of School Facilities | American Center for Law and Justice ACLJ

Supreme Court Says Religious Clubs Can Meet at Public Schools - ABC News
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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Of course not, Christians aren't one of the special protected classes with the rights and privileges enjoyed by others like being allowed to pray in public or otherwise exercise their constitutionally protected freedom of belief.
Really?

I think that it is incumbent upon all Christians to KNOW their rights.
Clearly you do not know yours.
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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So now the government can dictate how Christians can pray? What if the Christian students asked for a prayer room where they could hold hands, pray and sing Kumbaya? Would the same school district be compelled to provide them the same accomodations? Why couldn't they just tell the Muslims to go ahead and pray, silently?
Yes, the district would be compelled to provide the same accommodations.
Many school districts have done exactly that.

But let's not let that FACT get in the way of some good old-fashioned victimology.
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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It's a violation of Title IV which prohibits religion-based discrimination in public schools.
Repeating this over and over and over is not going to make it so.

The Supreme Court has decided this issue and long story short, it is not a violation.
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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I absolutely fail to see how people here just don't get this.
Pretty simple really.


Because it isn't true.
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Old 09-09-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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It's a violation of Title IV which prohibits religion-based discrimination in public schools.
This doesn't mean schools should set aside rooms for prayer.
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Old 09-09-2014, 12:23 PM
 
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Repeating this over and over and over is not going to make it so.
You're glossing over the fact that the school in question provided an unrequested prayer room for Muslims only. That act of providing one without being asked to do so, but not providing the same for every other religion is what places them squarely in violation of Title IV which prohibits religion-based discrimination in public schools.

Only someone with an agenda conveniently ignores the fact that the Muslim students did not request a prayer room and that the school district provided them one on its own initiative.

The school in question must provide a prayer room for either all religions, or none of them. Religious-based discrimination is a violation of Title IV.
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Old 09-09-2014, 12:25 PM
 
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This doesn't mean schools should set aside rooms for prayer.
I agree, which is why I favor the 'none of them' option of providing a prayer room for either all religions or none of them so as to avoid a Title IV discrimination violation.
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Old 09-09-2014, 12:27 PM
 
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You're glossing over the fact that the school in question provided an unrequested prayer room for Muslims only. That act of providing one without being asked to do so, but not providing the same for every other religion is what places them squarely in violation of Title IV which prohibits religion-based discrimination in public schools.

Only someone with an agenda conveniently ignores the fact that the Muslim students did not request a prayer room and that the school district provided them one on its own initiative.

The school in question must provide a prayer room for either all religions, or none of them. Religious-based discrimination is a violation of Title IV.
And you continue to ignore WHY the school did so. Thanks for finally admitting, in a round about way, what your agenda is, no prayer or demonstrations of religious beliefs on any public school grounds. Go ahead tell me I am wrong
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Old 09-09-2014, 12:27 PM
 
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You're glossing over the fact that the school in question provided an unrequested prayer room for Muslims only. That act of providing one without being asked to do so, but not providing the same for every other religion is what places them squarely in violation of Title IV which prohibits religion-based discrimination in public schools.

Only someone with an agenda conveniently ignores the fact that the Muslim students did not request a prayer room and that the school district provided them one on its own initiative.

The school in question must provide a prayer room for either all religions, or none of them. Religious-based discrimination is a violation of Title IV.
Who was treated unfavorably based on their religious beliefs?

Religious Discrimination
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