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So, you think someone working 40 hours a week doesn't deserve to eat?
Depends on the type of work performed.
If the work doesn't produce anything that anybody is willing to pay for, the answer is no, the person shouldn't be compensated.
Deserve to eat? Not sure where that is coming from. Everybody deserves to eat. Whether or not they have anything to eat really depends on their choices. If a person chooses to spend all the money on things he can't afford or don't need, he having no money for food is none of my concern.
Last edited by lifeexplorer; 09-15-2014 at 12:40 PM..
If the work doesn't produce anything that anybody is willing to pay for, the answer is no, the person shouldn't be compensated.
By the same token, the work should not exist either, the company should go under, and the capital supporting it should be invested elsewhere in the economy where the worker's labor would be more valuable.
Whose money do they plan to use to make the world a better place for future generations? Yours or "the society's?"
I see you won't answer the question.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
I did answer...you refuse to admit it...you don like the answer , so you deflect
you stand there , waving your hands like somme child who wants attention... and people are giving you answers...but the answers aren't good enough for your fascist agenda
YOU CAN FEED YOUR KIDS AND YOU ON MIN WAGE...
did they teach you budgeting and balancing a check book in 5th grade...since I don't think you made it past 6th grade
The government disagrees with you. Hence, the SNAP program.
my tiny HOUSE (1400sf 3 bedroom) of a tiny property of 60x100...has a property tax of 11,450....
that's 1000 a month
if I rent it to you at 800 a month its a LOSS...end up in back taxes...government repossess it for lack of paying taxes
if I rent it to you for 1000 a month, it just covers the taxes...NO UPKEEP
if I rent it to you for 1400 a month, I can pay the taxes..and fix/repair any issues within reason
meanwhile not much profit at all
RENTERS are the ones stealing., in rent controlled housing due to the taxes being more than the rent
so is you issue with the liberal government and their outrageous taxes>>>>.... or is it just your ignorance of life
Taxes on rental property, though, are based on the rental income (after expenses) of the property, not the comparable sale value. So if your property was rent controlled, you would pay considerably less than $1k/month in property tax.
No. How to raise their children is their responsibility not mine. If you think that's your responsibility, go right ahead and spend your own money.
Why do people have hard time accepting that responsibility?
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer
Depends on the type of work performed.
If the work doesn't produce anything that anybody is willing to pay for, the answer is no, the person shouldn't be compensated.
Deserve to eat? Not sure where that is coming from. Everybody deserves to eat. Whether or not they have anything to eat really depends on their choices. If a person chooses to spend all the money on things he can't afford or don't need, he having no money for food is none of my concern.
So you think it is acceptable for children to go hungry in America?
Maybe not in your little world, but in a country that fancies itself the greatest in the world, every working individual is owed a minimum standard of living. People who work deserve to eat. People who work deserve some sort of dignity. What they do for a living is irrelevant, so long as it is legal.
There are two types of people in this world:
1. Those who want to make the world a better place for future generations
2. Those who are more concerned with protecting the status quo
Which side are you on?
You're being disingenuous about group 1, which actually has two subgroups:
Those who want to make the world a better place for future generations, and are willing to give THEIR OWN LABOR/EFFORT/MONEY to do so
Those who want to make the world a better place for future generations, and seek to force others to do so since they are unwilling to do it themselves.
Of those two groups, this thread makes abundantly clear that I am in group 1 and you are in group 2. You aren't trying to make the world a better place, you're demanding that someone else make the world a better place under your mandate of what "better" means. I make the world a better place via my own efforts, typically in one (or both) of two ways - a) not being a burden on my fellow man and b) not harming or advocating for the harm of my fellow man.
You've argued back and forth for a whole lot of harm to come to your fellow man because you think another subgroup of your fellow man is best served by harm coming to those who in your estimation have enough and should be harmed. Harming your fellow man does not make the world a better place. Advocating that others harm your fellow man in the name of helping others does not make the world a better place. Making the world a better place via your own efforts, without causing harm to others is how you make the world a better place.
And I ask again, if this liveable wage is so important to you, as your near religious zealotry with the subject is, then do you voluntarily overpay those you think "deserving" of a higher wage than what their employer pays them? Do you tip cashiers at the grocery store? Do you tip 50-75% on your meal at a restaurant? Do you tip seasonal temp workers at the mall to cover the gap between their minimum wae and your idealized liveable wage? If not, then you clearly do not believe in "helping" anyone, and just seek to punish those you feel deserve it in the name of your allegedly noble cause.
Much of it is down to the way the corporation is structured as a business model. If they could all be replaced with co-operatives then the world would be a better place imo. Also other countries pay much higher wages to their staff yet they still seem to maintain a high standard of living (eg: Australia, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark etc.)
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