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Bull. Stop trying to convince yourself that the corrupt perspectives you prefer are anything other than self-centered. Stop working so hard to rationalize the callous disregard for those most vulnerable in society that your attitudes and perspectives reflect.
Really? our views or "corrupt"? Coming from a side that has wasted $22,000,000,000,000 on the War on Poverty...With nothing to show but more poverty.
Self contentedness is a great thing, why should your life not be the center of your attention and actions?
Stop working so hard to rationalize failure after failure. How is it "callous disregard" to take care of yourself first and last? No no one else will ever have as much vast interest in your life as yourself.
You know they have been the "most vulnerable in society" for the last 50 years...And your programs and polices have not lifted them or helped them one bit..
We get it, we have a logic based system and all you have is emotionalism and opinionism.
What is wrong with retail/service being paid a "liveable" wage?
Nothing is wrong with it at all.
If you want to pay your workers a "liveable" wage, go right ahead and do so. You will get no objections from anyone, I'm sure. Just write the checks and hand them out. No one is stopping you.
Oh, by the way... you might also ask, "What is wrong with using government coercion to force others to pay a higher wage that exceeds the benefit to the company of their employees' work?"
Of course, everything is wrong with that. But it's not what you asked.
Well, if everyone goes into those degrees then another degree will become in high demand. That's kind of how markets work.
That was not the point the point is there is not degrees for everyone so which degree is in demand will not matter if there are millions of people qualified for jobs with only thousands of openings.
And you fail to mention that +/- 140,000,000 make more than minimum wage.It also does not say how many people were making just above min wage.
What, now you want to stop companies from paying "just above" minimum wage? Stop moving the goal posts.
When did I ever say that you are just spouting nonsense. I pointed out the numbers about who makes min wage have to be taken in context because it is not account for those who are still poor but make over min wage.
What bunch of companies? Once again, 3.3% of the US work force is making minimum wage or less. This means that 96.7% of the people in the work force are making more than minimum wage.
It does not say how much more above. You could be making .1 more then min wage and be part of the 96.7%.
It's not my fault that you missed economics class. I would try to explain it to you, but if you can't even figure out that raising labor costs will cause prices to go up then I highly doubt that such terms as "Gross Profit Margins" and "What the Market Will Bear" will mean anything to you.
Okay so explain to me how min wage has not gone up much through the years yet prices keep rising? You do know that labor is not always what makes prices go up. What proof do you have that min wage increase will increase prices greatly?
What is wrong with retail/service being paid a "liveable" wage?
Nothing is wrong with it at all.
If you want to pay your workers a "liveable" wage, go right ahead and do so. You will get no objections from anyone, I'm sure. Just write the checks and hand them out. No one is stopping you.
Oh, by the way... you might also ask, "What is wrong with using government coercion to force others to pay a higher wage that exceeds the benefit to the company of their employees' work?"
Of course, everything is wrong with that. But it's not what you asked.
What is wrong with using government coercion to inflate the quality and cost of housing and thereby force others to pay a higher rent that exceeds the quality level desired?
Okay so explain to me how min wage has not gone up much through the years yet prices keep rising? You do know that labor is not always what makes prices go up. What proof do you have that min wage increase will increase prices greatly?
actually min wage has bben increased many times and has kept up with inflation for the most part
here is the ACTUAL todays dollar calculator from the ACTUAL government (BLS (bureau of labor and statistics )
Inflation Calculator: Bureau of Labor Statistics
as you can see in 1938 the min wage was .38 (38 cents)...in todays dollars it is 6.42 (as of 17 aug 2014)
as you can see in 1950 the min wage was .75 (75 cents for those that don't understand decimals) in todays dollars it is 7.42
as you can see in 1984 the min wage was 3.35 in todays dollars that is 7.68
btw the min wage only effects about 1% of the working population
now if you look at median household wage
median annual household income 1970 ..... $7600
median annual household income 2013.....$51,000
big jump and progress since 1970
min wage is for unskilled
federal min wage should be zero, because one size does not fit all
here is the ACTUAL todays dollar calculator from the ACTUAL government (BLS (bureau of labor and statistics )
Inflation Calculator: Bureau of Labor Statistics
as you can see in 1938 the min wage was .38 (38 cents)...in todays dollars it is 6.42 (as of 17 aug 2014)
as you can see in 1950 the min wage was .75 (75 cents for those that don't understand decimals) in todays dollars it is 7.42
as you can see in 1984 the min wage was 3.35 in todays dollars that is 7.68
btw the min wage only effects about 1% of the working population
now if you look at median household wage
median annual household income 1970 ..... $7600
median annual household income 2013.....$51,000
big jump and progress since 1970
min wage is for unskilled
federal min wage should be zero, because one size does not fit all
Minimum wage typically lags behind CPI, and is belatedly adjusted to catch up to CPI. As soon as a minimum wage increase takes effect, it starts to again lag behind the increasing CPI.
Even so, CPI fails to adequately track the actual inflation experienced by low-wage workers, what with energy and food being not included.
Median household income is not median household wage; median income includes a number of income sources other than wages and thus is not representative of wage slaves who have no other sources of income.
Yes. Placing the comfort and luxury of those who are able to pay their own ways over the basic human needs of those who cannot is immoral. Those of you who abide such corrupt attitudes need to stop evading the righteous repudiation of that which you support.
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Self contentedness is a great thing, why should your life not be the center of your attention and actions?
Not to the exclusion of behaving in a humane manner toward others. Not the exclusion of acknowledging society's obligation with regard to the basic needs of all its members. You are free to rationalize selfishness however you wish, but that doesn't make it any less than a rationalization and doesn't make it any less morally offensive.
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How is it "callous disregard" to take care of yourself first and last?
The fact that you have the gall to ask indicates that no amount of ethical instruction directed at you in this thread will help you see the indefensible nature of the foundation of what you believe. Hopefully, the bald-faced egoism in your comments will strike others in a manner that they'll realize the true nature of the path you're peddling.
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Originally Posted by Liberty Above All Else
You know they have been the "most vulnerable in society" for the last 50 years...And your programs and polices have not lifted them or helped them one bit..
Lying to yourself may insulate yourself from the moral repudiation of what you believe, which I've provided, but it doesn't actually obviate the reality. Those most vulnerable in society are still better off today than they were fifty years ago, the "success" your corrupt, self-serving claptrap has had over the last thirty-five years, notwithstanding.
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Originally Posted by Liberty Above All Else
We get it, we have a logic based system and all you have is emotionalism and opinionism.
What you promote is a selfishness based system. Cold, calculating, heartless. What we promote is a human system. Humane, compassionate, balanced, honorable, and moral.
Raising minimum wage increases costs to business, which increases the cost of products/services, which devalues everyone's buying power through "inflation".
The feel-good arbitrary "raise" provides no more buying power than existed before the "raise." And everyone who doesn't get a proportional "raise" to cover the "inflation" actually gets an arbitrary cut in their standard of living. It is a silly smoke and mirror scam in which no one benefits in the least except the State which may see a slight rise in revenue from taxation of all of the increased circulation of devalued dollars...At best it is a system of extortion which benefits no one but the tax collectors.
If any of y'all ain't happy with your wages, well, remember you accepted the job when it was offered to you, in which you had the opportunity to be provided with the rate of pay for the duties you would be performing. Don't like what you are paid at your job, well, then leave it and look for work elsewhere or improve your skill sets so you are a better asset to your employer.
Min. wage needs to go away completely.
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