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Old 02-29-2016, 04:16 PM
 
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History will record it as a success and Obama will go into the books as a good president.

All of which will lead to much weeping and whining from the right. But it will all be very entertaining.

The same history will also show both President George Bush sr and Junior as excellent presidents. Its like Voltaire said long ago, History is the lie everyone agrees with.
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Old 02-29-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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The other side seems to be trying hard to push the narrative that he has failed but as said above, history will consider him a success, if only for successfully ending the Great Recession. Plus he still has the whole killing Bin Laden and normalizing relations with Cuba to his credit. It remains to be seen what the final verdict will be on the Iran deal and obamacare.
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Old 02-29-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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The same history will also show both President George Bush sr and Junior as excellent presidents. Its like Voltaire said long ago, History is the lie everyone agrees with.
Several hundred members of the American Political Science Association ranked as follows (of 43 POTUS):

Bush Sr. rank #17, just above...

Obama rank #18, and both well above...

Bush Jr. rank #35.

Measuring Obama against the great presidents | Brookings Institution
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Old 02-29-2016, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The same history will also show both President George Bush sr and Junior as excellent presidents. Its like Voltaire said long ago, History is the lie everyone agrees with.

You're funny!

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Old 02-29-2016, 05:37 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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The same history will also show both President George Bush sr and Junior as excellent presidents. Its like Voltaire said long ago, History is the lie everyone agrees with.
Thankfully those don't have a delusional cult following like O does.
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Old 03-01-2016, 08:46 PM
 
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The same history will also show both President George Bush sr and Junior as excellent presidents. Its like Voltaire said long ago, History is the lie everyone agrees with.
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Several hundred members of the American Political Science Association ranked as follows (of 43 POTUS):

Bush Sr. rank #17, just above...

Obama rank #18, and both well above...

Bush Jr. rank #35.

Measuring Obama against the great presidents | Brookings Institution
How many years must pass before you folks figure out that George Herbert Walker Bush and George Walker Bush are not and have never been "Senior" and "Junior"?
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Old 03-01-2016, 10:16 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Tax levels and insurance premiums are easy to quantify and verify, but they are meaningless in terms of measuring our success or failure as a society, if we do not also quantify and measure what we are getting from our taxes and/or insurance premiums.

We could, for example, cut taxes and insurance premiums in half, and how can we know what recipe this is for a losing or winning "platform" unless we properly (fairly) measure what happens as a result?

More or less of which benefits? Who are the "people" paying more money and getting less? You? Me? The newly insured that couldn't access health care before? The doctors? Job seekers? Are we finding more or less jobs than before? Home owner equities? And on and on..., what are all the things we get for what we pay in taxes and health care premiums? What would we lose if we paid less?

No doubt we all have our answers depending on which side of the political spectrum you lean, but let's see those details either way before we conclude what is a "losing plattform," right?

Just how many units of measure do we need to consider before we can rightfully say we are getting more or less, are better or worse off?

Again I beg to differ with all due respect, but just looking at tax and health care premium levels without doing all the rest of the "homework," is the sure "recipe" for uninformed decision making, bad policy making and stupid mistakes that do more harm than good for all of us...
People KNOW Obamacare sucks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/us...t-useless.html

And if you want European/Scandinavian-style social program benefits, we're going to have to tax like European/Scandinavian countries. That means the middle class (those earning an average income) is charged the highest (or nearly so) income tax rate just like the top 1%, and we implement a 20-25% VAT tax that EVERYONE pays.
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Old 03-01-2016, 10:18 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The other side seems to be trying hard to push the narrative that he has failed but as said above, history will consider him a success, if only for successfully ending the Great Recession.
With still record-high numbers of Americans on food stamps? Um... NO.
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:04 PM
 
Location: All over
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Obama presidency - failure or success?

Obama's Presidency / Administration has been a total failure.
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:09 PM
 
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Obama really hasn't done anything "bad" to warrant being called a failure. He basically righted the ship within his limitations. He probably would have had a bigger impact on the country had the GOP not tried to block everything.
True.
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