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What the poster was trying to point out is that they pay fuel taxes, sales taxes, vehicle taxes, excise taxes, etc.
And so does everyone else. How does that negate the fact that the federal income tax is the largest source of federal tax revenue in the U.S., and 43% of those who have a reportable income pay no federal income tax whatsoever?
There are conclusions being made here based on select data and biased interpretation. As pointed out by another comment or two, there are MANY factors and measures that ultimately determine the effectiveness and/or results of our progressive tax system vs consumption taxes!
Again, a bit more food for thought before coming to rash conclusions...
"The Achilles Heel, however, has been that consumption taxes tend to be regressive—hitting lower-income people proportionately harder than higher-income folks. The reason is simple: low-income people spend all their income (or more) while those with higher incomes save a substantial portion. Thus, the sales tax or the VAT tend to be most burdensome on those struggling to get by."
PS: Why do we keep suggesting those at the bottom of the income brackets in America don't pay any taxes? Do they not pay income taxes on most all they purchase? When they rent, does the rent not go toward covering the property taxes paid by the landlord? Are there not taxes in every gallon of gas they put in their car? To have a car, do they not need to pay registration fees? Why forever the claim they pay no taxes? They pay no INCOME taxes because they don't make the INCOME, but this does not mean they pay NO taxes! Right?!?
ok, lets just for a MINUTE, suppose your correct.
Tell me exactly WHERE you're going to get the money from for all of these social programs?
And so does everyone else. How does that negate the fact that the federal income tax is the largest source of federal tax revenue in the U.S., and 43% of those who have a reportable income pay no federal income tax whatsoever?
Here is what these liberal kooks do...
They have no problem adding mandates and taxes to an employer, which then get passed onto the consumer, so they can then proclaim they are helping 1/2 the nation by not charging them taxes, which of course is ridiculous. They HIDE the tax, then pretend it doesnt exist, until of course it becomes time to then talk about "fair share", cause then they will jump up and down and whine that the poor, despite not paying any taxes, are somehow being raked by the very same people the government just mandated costs upon, and thus we need to expand even more social programs and handouts.
We were doing well to get a little more analytical, reasonable and logical there for a bit, regarding the facts of these matters, but of course it didn't take long before we are back to the "kookiness."
"They have no problem adding mandates and taxes to an employer..." yet another strawman argument! Really?
Just FYI, I was an employer of thousands of employees. I owned a successful employment agency. Best be careful about these "kooky" utterings and assumptions!
We were doing well to get a little more analytical, reasonable and logical there for a bit, regarding the facts of these matters, but of course it didn't take long before we are back to the "kookiness."
There absolutely is NO analytical reasoning or logic to citing a "news" story, i.e. opinion piece, which argues people are not entitled to earnings..
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Originally Posted by And D
"They have no problem adding mandates and taxes to an employer..." yet another strawman argument! Really?
Just FYI, I was an employer of thousands of employees. I owned a successful employment agency. Best be careful about these "kooky" utterings and assumptions!
Bull.. no one who was an employer of "thousands" would cite a story claiming people dont deserve salaries etc.
PS: Why do we keep suggesting those at the bottom of the income brackets in America don't pay any taxes? Do they not pay income taxes on most all they purchase? When they rent, does the rent not go toward covering the property taxes paid by the landlord? Are there not taxes in every gallon of gas they put in their car? To have a car, do they not need to pay registration fees? Why forever the claim they pay no taxes? They pay no INCOME taxes because they don't make the INCOME, but this does not mean they pay NO taxes! Right?!?
NO ONE pays income taxes on their purchases
Sales taxes go to the state, we're discussing federal
Property taxes, go to the municipality, again, we're discussing federal
Most of them dont own cars, they take buses, paid for by everyone else, and even if they do pay a tax on gas, who gives a ****..
Registration fees, go to the state.
Why dont you try to have a discussion that the rest of the people here are without changing it to suit your narrative.
And so does everyone else. How does that negate the fact that the federal income tax is the largest source of federal tax revenue in the U.S., and 43% of those who have a reportable income pay no federal income tax whatsoever?
They do pay payroll taxes, which are federal taxes on income.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
If I give you money for things like welfare, and then you go and spend it on things like fuel, are you really paying it, or am I?
Most people have earned income. When they spend it, they are paying the taxes on fuel, excise, and sales.
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