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Much like WorkingClassHero's tax return, these individual examples are highly suspect if not ridiculous in terms of their construed purpose. Hard to even know if they are real examples, and how many have we seen debunked only to move onto the next...? In the same way, InformedConsent doesn't seem to know anybody now with medical care coverage who was not able to get coverage before the ACA. Hmm..., drawing all you know from limited personal experience, anecdotes, news articles (lefty or otherwise) and opinion pieces doesn't do the trick either. If you want to really understand what is happening beyond the propaganda, you have got to look at the overall numbers -- all of them -- the statistics.
NEWS RELEASE
Health Coverage Grows Under Affordable Care Act
Insurance coverage has increased across all types of insurance since the major provisions of the federal Affordable Care Act took effect, with a net total of 16.9 million people becoming newly enrolled through February 2015.
“The Affordable Care Act has greatly expanded health insurance coverage, but it has caused little change in the way most previously-covered Americans are getting health insurance coverage,” saidKatherine Carman, the study's lead author and an economist at RAND, a nonprofit research organization. “The law has expanded coverage to more Americans using all parts of the health insurance system.”
health insurance coverage grew when you START at the LOW point.. not when you start during normal economic periods when the emphasis was on jobs, not welfare.
80% of insured get insurance from their employer. Of those, the like that their children are covered to age 26.
Those that were uninsured because they couldn't get coverage because of pre-existing conditions, like the ACA, which prevents insurance companies from discriminating against them.
Yes, many don't like the ACA, even though they have no idea what is in it and how they benefit from it.
The fact remains that uninsured levels have fallen to new lows and premiums have risen slower than they have in the past.
One can always pick and choose small sections of everything that's "likable", that doesn't mean the whole dam thing is viewed favorable.
What happened to those surpluses?
What happened to the need to insure EVERY AMERICAN, claiming it was a RIGHT?
What happened to getting more PAYING customers, to pay for others less fortunate?
NOTHING PROMISED is whats taking place, and you had to be a complete idiot to believe it would.
The plan always presumed there would be 30 million uninsured after the ACA was passed. To claim otherwise is dishonest.
no, the plan was NOT to presume there would be 30 million uninsured after ACA was passed. We were told health care was a RIGHT FOR ALL AMERICANS... Obama said having 30 million uninsured americans was UNACCEPTABLE...
Stop LYING..
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According to the CBO, the change in the number of uninsured by year, was projected as follows:
You say it does "NOTHING to be AFFORDABLE"?????
And yet HOW MANY Americans get government SUBSIDIES to lower the cost?
Clearly you live in your own alternate universe that has nothing to do with reality.
Ken
And here we have the liberal stupidity.. Government SUBSIDIES make it affordable...
ignore the fn facts that OTHERS NEED TO PAY MORE, in order to PAY FOR THOSE SUBSIDIES
The ACA has worked for me, an independent contractor who had no access to healthcare before its passage. It worked for my brother, who lost his job and his insurance and was in need of surgery, and was able to get a policy and coverage for the procedure. It worked for my sister, who was hospitalized for a life threatening condition and was eligible for expanded Medicaid. And it's worked for hundreds of thousands of other Americans, as one GOP Congresswoman discovered when she set up a Facebook page to collect ACA horror stories and instead was inundated with people who praised the law and credited it with saving many lives.
Would I like single payer better? Absolutely. But having insurance sure beats not having it. Ask anyone who was in that position before the ACA and they will attest to that.
People in the hospital prior to ACA was still eligible to receive expanded Medicaid.
And to claim everyone else you listed ONLY got insurance due to ACA is ridiculous. You had ACCESS prior to ACA, you CHOSE not to get it because you didnt get government welfare to pay for it.
What surpluses are you referring to? I don't recall anyone claiming that the ACA was going to create surpluses.
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What happened to the need to insure EVERY AMERICAN, claiming it was a RIGHT?
It is a right under the ACA. There ism however, a recognized reality that everyone isn't going to sign up. Also, 3-4% of the uninsured are unauthorized immigrants, who are excluded from the ACA.
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What happened to getting more PAYING customers, to pay for others less fortunate?
That's exactly what we have. If you look at Table 2 of the CBO report, 92% will be insured by 2017, excluding unauthorized immigrants.
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no, the plan was NOT to presume there would be 30 million uninsured after ACA was passed.
Yeah, it really was the plan from the start.
This is a 2013 article from the conservative Weakly Standard:
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In fact, the CBO projects that under Obamacare over the next decade, the number of uninsured will never fall below 30 million. Here are the year-by-year projections from the report:
People in the hospital prior to ACA was still eligible to receive expanded Medicaid.
And to claim everyone else you listed ONLY got insurance due to ACA is ridiculous. You had ACCESS prior to ACA, you CHOSE not to get it because you didnt get government welfare to pay for it.
And by curbing the cost of uncompensated care, and ending unwarranted subsidies, health reform reduces the deficit by over $1 trillion over the next two decades.
Instead it ADDS unwarranted subsidies and INCREASES the debt by nearly $1.5 trillion.
You can try to be dishonest and claim things werent sold this way, but that just makes you dishonest.
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It is a right under the ACA. There ism however, a recognized reality that everyone isn't going to sign up.
No its not a "right".. and never was...
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Also, 3-4% of the uninsured are unauthorized immigrants, who are excluded from the ACA.
And therefore, NOT COUNTED.. Try again
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That's exactly what we have. If you look at Table 2 of the CBO report, 92% will be insured by 2017, excluding unauthorized immigrants.
Yeah, it really was the plan from the start.
This is a 2013 article from the conservative Weakly Standard:
2013 isnt pre ACA.. You keep failing.
Look at that "whitehouse.gov" link above, and you'll also see
Extending coverage to 34 million Americans: For the first time in the nation’s history, the Affordable Care Act ensures that every American has access to quality affordable health coverage. By offering support to purchase coverage in newly created marketplaces or Exchanges and expanding Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act will extend health coverage to 34 million Americans. Access to health coverage is more than a safeguard from hardship that every citizen deserves. It means that instead of foregoing doctors’ visits and other preventive measures because of cost, Americans will get the care they need to prevent chronic diseases, improving their health and reducing burdens on our health care system. And the security of health coverage not tied to a job means that entrepreneurs will no longer fear striking out on their own to start a small business, helping create jobs and boosting economic growth. In short, coverage expansion in the Affordable Care Act will benefit the nation’s personal and economic health.
There was only 34 million uninsured americans PRE ACA, so per the White House, THEY WOULD BE COVERED..
Guess what, THEY ARENT.. IT FAILED.. in fact the numbers hardly budged from Pre ACA except by the number of people you added to Medicaid.
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