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This data doesn't actually prove what's being argued. There are far more influences that are not taken into account. Also, a number about disposable income at one point doesn't tell you if that number is increasing or decreasing.
Anyway, to play along, why does the left claim to be for the middle class when middle class income has suffered so much under this administration?
I'll direct you to this post:
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated
Does this look like an opinion to you?
(What happened in 1981?)
The answer:
The right-wing neoliberal economic polices have been screwing this country for 30 years. We can't correct it overnight, especially with the level of obstruction coming from the right-wing. The argument you are giving is analogous to "I don't care if I screwed it up, why didn't you fix it?!?!"
The right-wing neoliberal economic polices have been screwing this country for 30 years. We can't correct it overnight, especially with the level of obstruction coming from the right-wing. The argument you are giving is analogous to "I don't care if I screwed it up, why didn't you fix it?!?!"
No, it's not. The argument I actually made was that this data does not actually prove what's being argued and it doesn't.
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Alabama is a horrible example.
You went from their being virtually no republican party to their being virtually no Democratic Party in 8 years.
In 2010, People in this state decided having an R beside your name was all it took to govern, and they were wrong, And what is worse is that they arent going to correct it in 2014 either.
Greece is not analogous to the United States. Greece is not monetarily sovereign. Greece is like Detroit or California. Greece has to ask the ECU for more Euros. The United States doesn't ask any other entity for U.S. dollars. Greece is a currency user. The United States is a currency issuer. End of story.
Why are so many people still ignorant of the blatant lie of less taxes + less regulation = growth. Isn't 30 years of failed Reaganomics enough evidence?!?!?!?!
" Isn't 30 years of failed Reaganomics enough evidence?!?!?!?![/quote]"
Isn't it funny how liberals tend to have things exactly wrong? It is almost like the child's game of "opposite day".
Remember the "gifts" of Bill Clinton to the US- NAFTA and China most favored nation trade status. Those policies, of course, were the most destructive, idiotic trade measures ever instituted in US history.
" Isn't 30 years of failed Reaganomics enough evidence?!?!?!?!
Isn't it funny how liberals tend to have things exactly wrong? It is almost like the child's game of "opposite day".
Remember the "gifts" of Bill Clinton to the US- NAFTA and China most favored nation trade status. Those policies, of course, were the most destructive, idiotic trade measures ever instituted in US history.
I know you know this, but China has had the most favored nation status since before the 80's. And though Clinton signed NAFTA, the trade deal was in the works and being pushed when Bush 1 was President.
I know you know this, but China has had the most favored nation status since before the 80's. And though Clinton signed NAFTA, the trade deal was in the works and being pushed when Bush 1 was President.
So you were saying?
Oh yeah, it's Obama's fault.
It's even worse then that because as policy conservative aren't against those ideas they support them.
So their basic argument is to attack Democrats who agree with their economic policies and then blame them for the fallout.
Aren't the economies of Alabama, Mississippi or Louisiana enough proof that conservative socio-economic ideas are absurd?
No, it isn't. First off, after the US Civil war, the south was firmly Democratic Party for about a hundred years. Populist type politicians ruled the roost here. Once populist policies and laws are enacted, it's hard for legislature to remove already entrenched liberal policies. Though the state voted for a Republican president and governor, that doesn't mean the legislature is majority conservatives. For example, many Louisiana legislatures with an R by their name were recently D and still vote as D. The other thing is a large segment of the population who have been on the government dole for generations. Another thing that hurts the Gulf Coastal states is restrictions by the government on where one can drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico and the fact that decades ago the Federal Government took over areas of the Gulf of Mexico and so oil companies must pay leases to the Federal Government instead of to the individual state whose coast the rig was located.
Though states may vote for Republican, that doesn't mean they're enacting fiscal conservative policies. It seems you're assuming R means they're running their state in a conservative manner.
What needs to be done is so drastic that those in office are afraid to do so knowing they'd be risking their political career. So many poor voters rely on government handouts through various social programs that any hard cuts could result in these voters voting them out of office. Many local and state governments will offer tax incentives to attract big corporation businesses in addition to using civil service employees and funds to build road access for these businesses. In the meantime, locally owned small businesses receive none of these tax breaks and civil service aid. Also, when businesses make investments in large equipment for their business, they pay sales taxes on the equipment and if the equipment is large enough, they must pay fees for permits to move the equipment over public roads. Once the company owns these large equipment, they must pay a property type tax every year on the equipment they've already paid taxes on. This reduces the chances of a company to reinvest by purchasing new more efficient equipment or hiring more employees or offering more benefits to the employees. If a company continues to receive higher and higher taxes within the state they operate, they'll begin looking at moving their company to a state with lower taxes. When such types of taxes are lowered at the business level, this allows more capital for the company to operate with more leeway to either hire more employees, offer better benefits, and or expand company operations. If they're able to do this, then the amount of income taxes and sales taxes will increase.
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