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Old 09-15-2014, 12:43 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Citizen United had NOTHING to do with how campaigns are financed. NOTHING.
Except change WHO can fund it....
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Old 09-15-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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They disallowed the law that tried to exclude free speech rights to those that always had it before.

Does the 4th state that corporations are covered?

Can the government search a corporation without a warrant?
The 4th amendment states nothing about corporations.... It's up to us to adapt and interpret vagueness of the constitution....obviously I disagree with the supreme court with the United case I'm surprised conservatives feel this way about this issue...
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Old 09-15-2014, 12:51 PM
 
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They did no such thing. Why the spin and lies?
Guessing you didn't read the dissent on the case because the implications are pretty spelled out.
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Old 09-15-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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Sad you believe big business and wealthy donors should have a little more "free speech" than the average American voter
Under what pretex should we establish limits on 'free speech'? Wealth?

Its YOU who want to restrict someones rights.. its sad

Even more ironic is the same morons who applauded Obamas $1B campaign spending as a sign of the people have spoken, now want to limit the people speaking.
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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The 4th amendment states nothing about corporations.... It's up to us to adapt and interpret vagueness of the constitution....obviously I disagree with the supreme court with the United case I'm surprised conservatives feel this way about this issue...
I bet you have no problem with corporations paying taxes though..

tell me, how can someone who is liable to pay taxes, give up other rights like freedom of speech, and you have no problem with it?

4th amendment doesnt need to specifically state corporations since corporations being people go back far before the establishment of america.
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:04 PM
 
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Under what pretex should we establish limits on 'free speech'? Wealth?

Its YOU who want to restrict someones rights.. its sad
Free speech on who.... Or WHAT in this case. If you want multinational corporations with the same freedoms as American citizens then you're crazy.... It doesn't bother you that a foreign based company now has the same freedom of speech as you when it comes to elections and campaigning....?
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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Free speech on who.... Or WHAT in this case. If you want multinational corporations with the same freedoms as American citizens then you're crazy.... It doesn't bother you that a foreign based company now has the same freedom of speech as you when it comes to elections and campaigning....?
You guys on the left had no problem with obama taking funding from credit cards overseas to fund his campaign just a few years ago...

Again, do you think corporations should be taxed?

taxation without representation cant take place without the representation part.. Do you need to be reminded of this?
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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I bet you have no problem with corporations paying taxes though..

tell me, how can someone who is liable to pay taxes, give up other rights like freedom of speech, and you have no problem with it?

4th amendment doesnt need to specifically state corporations since corporations being people go back far before the establishment of america.
Because our taxes don't go to the election of people. A business owner, as an individual, has not lost any right..... I repeat, as an individual.
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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They redefined what a person is.... I'd say that is a major reform.
Nowhere in the majority opinion do corporations or people get redefined. In fact, the majority opinion lists all the various decisions going back over 70 years that support the simple fact that speech does not lose it's 1st Amendment protections simply because the source of the speech is a corporation or other association.

People do not get redefined.
Corporations are not redefined as people.
No new rights get extended to corporations.

Read the entire majority opinion. Nothing gets defined or redefined.

The 1st Amendment was abridged by McCain-Feingold, and that abridgement was overturned by Citizens United. period.
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Under what pretex should we establish limits on 'free speech'? Wealth?

Its YOU who want to restrict someones rights.. its sad

Even more ironic is the same morons who applauded Obamas $1B campaign spending as a sign of the people have spoken, now want to limit the people speaking.
Personhood, you know a walking talking breathing person that is a Citizen of the United States of America. That is how I would limit Free Speech you know like the Founders envisioned.

You do know Lies are only the refuge of losers, don't ya.

What is even more moronic is to make such statements in a post to someone that has never done any such thing, but then again that brings us back to your issue with truth.
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