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Old 09-15-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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Sure in America and many other "democratic" countries people are given the right to vote, but really does it matter? It seems even with people being able to vote it doesn't change the fact that just as in the past before people had the right to vote, ultimately the most mean, hateful, evil person can will end up on top. So really is there a point? I am 43 and I haven't voted since I was 20; I don't think I or anyone else's vote really matters.

I just wish our politicians would stop acting like they really care about the average person and just went ahead and crowned themselves kings/emperors/what have you, since that IS how they view themselves.
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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Sure in America and many other "democratic" countries people are given the right to vote, but really does it matter? It seems even with people being able to vote it doesn't change the fact that just as in the past before people had the right to vote, ultimately the most mean, hateful, evil person can will end up on top. So really is there a point? I am 43 and I haven't voted since I was 20; I don't think I or anyone else's vote really matters.

I just wish our politicians would stop acting like they really care about the average person and just went ahead and crowned themselves kings/emperors/what have you, since that IS how they view themselves.
There is a point and that is that the people that end up in office are put there by the voters. They can be removed at the next election. If they remain, then voters need to look in the mirror - and voters really need to look in the mirror.
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:24 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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No, there is no point in voting. "Representatives" have no obligation to represent those that elected them, essentially once in they vote how they want. And they are made even more useless because "our" government is nothing but a tool of the Central Bank at this point, so government employees or representatives actually can only do what the Central Bank allows them to do anyway.

In everything but name, our "representatives" are as much slaves to the Financiers as we are. For without the approval and financing of debt by the Money Cartel, the nation would cease to exist.
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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It matters less than I'd like, but yes, it still matters. Our elected folks have many sophisticated tools to manipulate our opinions to be favorable to their remaining in office, but guess what - we have access to a lot of those same tools.

If it didn't matter who was elected, would so much effort be spent on vilifying presidents?
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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Smoke and mirrors....smoke and mirrors...none are so helplessly enslaved than those who believe themselves free...
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:28 PM
 
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Sure in America and many other "democratic" countries people are given the right to vote, but really does it matter? It seems even with people being able to vote it doesn't change the fact that just as in the past before people had the right to vote, ultimately the most mean, hateful, evil person can will end up on top. So really is there a point? I am 43 and I haven't voted since I was 20; I don't think I or anyone else's vote really matters.

I just wish our politicians would stop acting like they really care about the average person and just went ahead and crowned themselves kings/emperors/what have you, since that IS how they view themselves.
If you don't feel it doesn't matter, continue to not vote. We don't need this sentiment in our political process.

Yes, voting matters. People died in this country for the ability to vote. Many blacks and women outlasted centuries of oppression for the right to vote. If you aren't happy with the political candidates, register and vote in the primaries. Most people bitching about candidates won't go vote in the primary. That is where your guy is chosen.
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:33 PM
 
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People that think their vote doesn't matter at all either have absolved themselves of personal responsibility for their governing, think the government is a huge conspiracy, or are too extreme to ever have a chance probably shouldn't be voting in the first place.
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:34 PM
 
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Being a permanent resident, I can't vote, and this sort of defeatist attitude gets right up my nose. It's not a principled stance, it's surrender.

The Greeks had a word for those who refused to take part in governing the city-state, and that was "ἰδιώτης". Google it.

I'll donate time and money to see to it that there is a chance of a good man representing me. You can turn your nose up, or you can join. The "financiers" much prefer you stay out of it, though.
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:38 PM
 
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I haven't surrendered by not voting, I just don't play the stupid game of giving an institution of force my support. I am an Agorist, I am trying to change my country in a way that has a CHANCE of making something different. Voting for puppets that are accountable to none below them and having no power not given them by their financiers above them is just silly.
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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I haven't surrendered by not voting, I just don't play the stupid game of giving an institution of force my support. I am an Agorist, I am trying to change my country in a way that has a CHANCE of making something different. Voting for puppets that are accountable to none below them and having no power not given them by their financiers above them is just silly.
You're right on the cusp...
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