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Old 09-16-2014, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Kinda like a whole buncha Chicken Dick Cheneys...
Chicken?
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Old 09-16-2014, 04:45 PM
 
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Healthcare costs have been growing faster than the average rate of inflation for decades.
yes and will continue to do so post ACA since there isnt anything in the bill to slow that down.

The only reason they have been smaller increases lately is due to the lagging economy.. The rate grows with the economy growth.
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Old 09-16-2014, 05:30 PM
 
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Healthcare costs have been growing faster than the average rate of inflation for decades.
Just like higher ed.
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Fleet View Post
Chicken?

Chicken.

As in chicken hawk.

buck, buck, buckaw...

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Old 09-16-2014, 08:49 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Started with 30 million uninsured, we are now at 41 million uninsured..

That 11,000,000 MORE uninsured than before which is NOT an 11% improvement.
No it started close to 50 mill uninsured, 30 mill eventually on ACA was the goal.
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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Obamacare is a bad idea conjured up in a right wing think tank. It is more about saving insurance companies and pharmaceutical firms than saving lives. We could have everyone covered if we had adopted universal tax-funded healthcare like every other civilized country has. The left should stop defending Obamacare and demand something better.




The left took it and ran with it all on their own.
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:52 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Touche, I definitely made a mistake.

I should have looked for more information on the costs too. Looks like the $840 million was way off. It was actually more than $5 Billion when you include the costs of the state exchanges, many of which have failed:

Over $5 Billion and Counting for Obamacare Websites | The Fiscal Times

The average subsidy it more than $3,300 and more than 90% of the people are subsidized.
And we have more than 3.9 million getting subsidized, since many were canceled from the policies they could afford, and we are now subsidizing them as well.
The CBO predicts the subsidies will cost the taxpayers $1.5 Trillion over the next 10 years.

Plus the costs of the insurance company bailouts, the cost of the thousands of new IRS agents, etc. etc.

Still that means exchange cost was a one-off $1,300/enrollee, and $3,300 subsidy is not huge, when you offset it by reduced uncompensated care government payments to hospitals.
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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Correct.

Even if we went Universal for just the more serious illness/injury level we would be better off.
Take the worry of bankruptingly expensive catastrophic and traumatic care out of the picture
and then payment for most of medical care is not a concern for the individual OR the provider.




Insurance covering day to day type more minor medical expenses was a major step in the failings of our system.......and cost.
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:53 PM
 
Location: NJ
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So, you're saying that a law forcing people to buy insurance and me paying for those who "can't" afford it will result in more people with health insurance?

And what is the advantage again?

more people with health insurance = lower total costs as fewer ERs are used by uninsured for routine , non emergency treatment.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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If you are a typical Tea Partier I am paying for your insurance. Most Tea Party types are covered by Medicare, Tricare, and VA and a few more by Medicaid. So you have a problem with a small number of people getting $16 billion in subsidies while the Tea Party base is part of $750 billion in subsidies? I am paying for 72 million people who form the Tea Party base and the ACA is 6 million who get subsidies. Which is the larger number? Socialism is great isnt it as long as it benefits you..



Your "War on the Elderly" continues.
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